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  1. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    I don't. As mentioned it was a recent government report that identified this as one of the factors that was preventing more widespread adoption of BEVs in the UK. This came up in the context of @markjay 's good experience in France with loads of public high speed chargers on the main routes.
  2. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    100% And improving technology will hopefully increase range anyway.
  3. BTB 500

    The EV fact thread

    Currently it seems people are buying hybrids as these are readily available new. No range anxiety ever, and PHEVs have the same ability to make short local trips on cheap/free electric power as a BEV. As mentioned it was the EU authorities I was talking about. They're looking at allowing...
  4. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    A lot of our motorway driving is 'off peak' (e.g. early mornings at weekends) when the roads are quite quiet. Obviously doing 71 mph would be illegal and highly dangerous so I'd never personally go that fast, except in Europe of course where 75-80 mph miraculously becomes legal and perfectly...
  5. BTB 500

    The EV fact thread

    Manufacturers are even further off achieving the zero emissions sales quota for vans - it's 10% this year, and so far they've achieved 5.5%. The EU were talking about suspending the quotas and pushing synthetic fuels ... something has to happen or the motor industry will be in deep trouble...
  6. BTB 500

    The EV fact thread

    Bad luck to anyone who bought one late last year at full price (or close) though. This also suggests the poor recent sales figures are even worse than they appear (they'd have included these pre-registered cars, which hadn't actually been sold). As mentioned Fiat/Stellantis have just extended...
  7. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    The Model 3 in particular seems to be an excellent car, although outsold by the more expensive Model Y (and two non-Teslas) in 2023:
  8. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    It's other people (EV owners, and the government) who have commented on a lack of high speed chargers in the UK. With just 780 or so versus 8,500 fuel forecourts I can understand why that might be an issue, given that EVs need 'fuelling' more frequently when venturing further away from home. I...
  9. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    Tesla says 421 miles for the M3LR on the standard 18" wheels, but only 337 miles for the X despite the bigger battery (current versions of each)?
  10. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    We always use the route through Belgium and (briefly) Holland when travelling to Germany. I find the roads a bit boring and some of the fuel stations are on the grim side, but we've not used them for many years (since the kids were little). We've only ever had one bad experience with Belgian...
  11. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    The Model X is a £100k plus car so you'd kind of expect decent performance. However it still has less range than an M3LR, so you might have to make more (or longer) stops? Because as I said that gives you access to a network of fast charging sites that other EVs can't use. Which is kind of...
  12. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    For sure. But fundamentally on a long run you have to travel between chargers if you want to reach your destination rather than run out of electrons by the side of the road. As discussed there really aren't that many public sites in the UK where you can do a rapid top-up (780 or so across the...
  13. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    For moving up to 4 people and a bit of luggage in a relatively small & sleek saloon or hatchback, possibly. But bigger EVs (there are no estate cars AFAIK, so you're limited to large SUVs) can't match the range, certainly at motorway speeds. They have too much drag.
  14. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    As I said, you are looking at this as a Tesla owner. Only one of the Tesla charging sites you listed on that route is open to other EVs.
  15. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    Presumably you're looking at this as a Tesla owner, in a car that (a) has an unusually high range from a full charge and (b) has access to their Supercharger network. You'll recall @markjay saying that in his Hyundai he needed a rapid charge top up every 120 miles or so on a long run at a little...
  16. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    OK, possibly a terminology thing. The government report I quoted originally considers 150 kW or above to be a fast charger i.e. one suited for a rapid partial top-up en route. I'm using Zapmap and filtering on 100 kW plus with public access (not all sites are public e.g. some Porsche...
  17. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    It's probably an ICE versus EV thing. If you're used to taking the most direct / fastest route from A to B with no question of ever running out of 'fuel' then taking a less direct route and having to stop periodically when you wouldn't have done so previously doesn't exactly seem like progress...
  18. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    It was somebody else quoting a friend.
  19. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    The point is that if there were more public fast chargers (as there are in France) you wouldn't have to take that longer route in the first place.
  20. BTB 500

    Advice regarding driving to France and Switzerland

    As mentioned it was a comment from an EV owner about the lack of fast chargers on main routes in the UK that 'sparked' this discussion.
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