2004 Range Rover, stupid buy?

[clk320x]

Looking at a 2004 RR with high mileage

£4300, 140,000 miles, all electrics work, air suspension etc fine

Engine rebuilt @ £3500 with invoice

Are these cars as expensive to maintain as I've heard?

Opinions?

 

[clk320x]

Oh and it's a 4.4L v8

 

[markjay]

Great when they are good, a money pit when not...... especially that air suspension.

But you knew that... you are just asking us to talk you into it

 

[clk320x]

Land Rover Range Rover 4.4 V8 Vogue 5drAd

 

[baxlin]

Have I read the advert correctly, 10 days left on the MOT?

 

[clk320x]

Have I read the advert correctly, 10 days left on the MOT?

Woah I didn't even notice that

Also bad corrosion on drivers side rear quarter

 

[davidjpowell]

Several thoughts.

1. These cars are not as expensive to maintain as those think. Most reports from those early in ownership using main dealers. Once onto specialists plenty of aftermarket parts and reasonable labour charges. Also the earlier cars are simpler without the later turbo chargers that are difficult to get to. Having said that the Petrol V8's do not seem as hardy.

2. Did they even do a black edition?

3. I personally would run from that one as fast as i can......

4. Don't let that one put you off...

5. Join the campaign.... https://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/general-discussion/204135-we-need-landrover-sub-forum.html

 

[Abb]

The MOT history is an interesting read! Run for the hills pal, on this one at least!

 

[Tuercas viejas]

Looking at a 2004 RR with high mileage

£4300, 140,000 miles, all electrics work, air suspension etc fine

Engine rebuilt @ £3500 with invoice

Are these cars as expensive to maintain as I've heard?

Opinions?

Yes they can be !
A bit old now with not too much support from the factory in parts.
The L322 is the designation installed until around 2006 with BMW 4.4 engine if petrol and known to self destruct its variable valve timing issues and guides.
The ZF transmission can give trouble if not taken care of and expensive to repair.

The biggest and expensive issue is the steering column control module that which can strike at any time with ignition switch issues and a floppy column..The alternator is water cooled being parts of the block so it much more expensive to repair when the time comes.

Other than that not bad if you have a deep pocket but if you want a Range Rover go for something made under the Ford tenure ship,or now Tata
Ford Lincoln Mercury 4,4 bullet proof engine now in 5 litre supercharged !
Ford electrics all to IDS platform management (read light years better than the BMW rendition) and all to Ford ISO 9000 spec --the better in the industry behind Toyota.
I work on these a lot, not my favourite Landrover product!
Tuercas Viejas

 

[Giantvanman]

The biggest issue with the older Range Rovers (P38 & L322) is when they fall into the hands of the sort of person who spends everything they have to purchase and leaves nothing for maintenance, upkeep and servicing. When something goes wrong, they either bodge or sell on.

Between the very short MOT, the dubious MOT history, the corrosion and the fact that the Black Edition wasn't released until MUCH later, I would walk, nay, run away from that one.

I echo davidpowell regarding the L322 and would add that there are many, many owners nowadays who do their own repairs and servicing etc just like MB owners used to do.
There are some models with potential issues to watch for (e.g. TD6 because of the GM gearbox and the 3.6 TDV8 can lunch it's turbos if a cheap, easily done precautions isn't taken) but when any model-specific idiosyncrasies are accounted for, then they quite simply put, superb.

Not that one though.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

I'd avoid the one in the OP solely due to the fact they've stuck an SVR badge on the back.

You'd be better going for the 2006MY ('05 plate onward) facelift V8 if you're going petrol, it uses the vastly superior Jaguar engine as opposed to the earlier BMW effort.

 

[DSM10000]

Reading the MOT history it looks to have not been cared for that well.
Plus selling a car with under two weeks MOT left........................ As others have said, leave this one alone


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Registration number: T22APL

Vehicle makeLAND ROVER Vehicle modelRANGE ROVER Date first used19 March 2003 Fuel typePetrol ColourBlack

MOT history of this vehicle
Test date13 April 2016 Expiry date12 April 2017 Test ResultPass MOT test number4634 6110 3725
Test date21 January 2015 Expiry date20 January 2016 Test ResultPass Odometer reading129,241 miles MOT test number4274 7142 5071 Advisory notice item(s)
Exhaust has a minor leak of exhaust gases (7.1.2)
Offside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a pin/bush (2.4.G.2)
Offside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Nearside Vehicle structure has slight corrosion (6.1.B.2)
Offside Vehicle structure has slight corrosion (6.1.B.2)
Rear Vehicle structure has slight corrosion (6.1.B.2)
Gearbox oil cooler pipes corroded


Test date10 March 2014 Expiry date9 March 2015 Test ResultPass Odometer reading123,082 miles MOT test number9269 7926 4046 Advisory notice item(s)
Offside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Test date18 January 2013 Expiry date17 January 2014 Test ResultPass Odometer reading109,215 miles MOT test number5963 9881 3051
Test date16 January 2013 Test ResultFail Odometer reading109,203 miles MOT test number4879 3691 3035 Reason(s) for failure
Nearside Front Tyre tread depth below requirements of 1.6mm (4.1.E.1)
Nearside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
Offside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
Advisory notice item(s)
Offside Front Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)


Test date10 January 2012 Expiry date9 January 2013 Test ResultPass Odometer reading94,510 miles MOT test number2888 3041 2075 Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Windscreen has damage to an area less than a 40mm circle outside zone 'A' (8.3.1d)
Test date10 January 2012 Test ResultFail Odometer reading94,505 miles MOT test number8150 4031 2031 Reason(s) for failure
Nearside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
Offside Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
Nearside Headlamp aim too high and too far to the right. (1.8)
Offside Headlamp aim too high (1.8)
Offside Front suspension has excessive play in a lower suspension ball joint (2.5.B.1a)
Offside Rear Upper Suspension arm has excessive play in a pin/bush (2.4.G.2)
Nearside Rear Upper Suspension arm has excessive play in a pin/bush (2.4.G.2)
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Windscreen has damage to an area less than a 40mm circle outside zone 'A' (8.3.1d)
Brake hydraulic reservoir fluid close to minimum level (3.6.G.1b)


Test date20 January 2011 Expiry date12 February 2012 Test ResultPass Odometer reading80,434 miles MOT test number2750 6042 1090 Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Rear position lamp(s) damaged, but still visible from a reasonable distance (1.1.A.3d)
windows have a smoked tint
Test date19 January 2011 Test ResultFail Odometer reading80,432 miles MOT test number1290 6941 1001 Reason(s) for failure
Front registration plate dirty (6.3.1d)
Rear registration plate dirty (6.3.1d)
Nearside Front Headlamp aim too low and too far to the left. (1.8)
Offside Front Headlamp aim too low and too far to the right. (1.8)
Registration plate lamp not illuminating the registration plate (1.1.C.1e)
Drivers door cannot be opened from outside the vehicle (6.2.B.1b)
Nearside Front Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
Offside Front Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2)
Offside Front Suspension arm has excessive play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Parking brake: efficiency below requirements (3.7.C.1b)
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Rear position lamp(s) damaged, but still visible from a reasonable distance (1.1.A.3d)
Nearside Front Suspension arm has slight play in a pin/bush (2.4.G.2)
Offside Front Suspension arm has slight play in a pin/bush (2.4.G.2)
windows have a smoked tint
rear discs pitted


Test date20 January 2010 Expiry date12 February 2011 Test ResultPass Odometer reading66,185 miles MOT test number9903 2052 0011
Test date19 January 2010 Test ResultFail Odometer reading66,185 miles MOT test number5210 7911 0015 Reason(s) for failure
Nearside Rear Brake hose ferrule excessively corroded (3.6.B.4e)
Offside Rear Brake hose ferrule excessively corroded (3.6.B.4e)
Nearside Rear Lower Suspension arm has excessive play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Offside Rear Lower Suspension arm has excessive play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Offside Rear Upper Suspension arm has excessive play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)



Test date16 January 2009 Expiry date12 February 2010 Test ResultPass Odometer reading50,741 miles MOT test number1233 9661 9402
Test date16 January 2009 Test ResultFail Odometer reading50,741 miles MOT test number9205 0641 9000 Reason(s) for failure
Nearside Front Suspension arm has excessive play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Advisory notice item(s)
boot catch loose

Test date1 February 2008 Expiry date12 February 2009 Test ResultPass Odometer reading41,114 miles MOT test number2700 1283 8087
Test date30 January 2008 Test ResultFail Odometer reading41,114 miles MOT test number5301 0093 8001 Reason(s) for failure
Offside Front Brake pad(s) less than 1.5 mm thick (3.5.1g)
Nearside Front Brake pipe excessively corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Offside Front Brake pipe excessively corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Nearside Rear brake disc excessively pitted (3.5.1h)
Offside Rear brake disc excessively pitted (3.5.1h)
Nearside Front Tyre tread depth below requirements of 1.6mm (4.1.E.1)
Rear registration plate dirty (6.3.1d)
Parking brake: efficiency below requirements (3.7.C.1b)
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Brake pad(s) wearing thin (3.5.1g)
Nearside Rear Brake pad(s) wearing thin (3.5.1g)
Offside Rear Brake pad(s) wearing thin (3.5.1g)


Test date13 February 2007 Expiry date12 February 2008 Test ResultPass Odometer reading30,415 miles MOT test number2712 1404 7035 Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Offside Front Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c)
Nearside Rear brake disc slightly pitted (3.5.1h)
Offside Rear brake disc slightly pitted (3.5.1h)
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[Chrishazle]

You need deep pockets to run a petrol RR. Years ago I had a Vogue auto, IIRC 3.8L, swopped it for a Rover 827 Vitesse with the 2.6L Honda V6, and my fuel bill dropped £100 per month on exactly the same useage (about 12k miles pa). That was in the early 1990's so the fuel cost would be even higher now.

 

[clk320x]

Okay guys I've pretty much forgotten this one exists now haha

Will keep looking anyway haha

Thanks very much

 

[DSM10000]

This one?

More expensive but much better MOT history, much better engine and also better build and reliability.

Very similar in age / mileage to ours.


Land Rover Range Rover 4.2 V8 Supercharged Vogue SE 5dr

 

[Tuercas viejas]

Okay guys I've pretty much forgotten this one exists now haha

Will keep looking anyway haha

Thanks very much

Very wise!
I have a 2003 LHD model abandoned in my shop with a duff transmission !
Yours for 500 clams if you like punishment!
TV

 

[clk320x]

Land Rover Range Rover Sport 2.7 TD V6 HSE 5dr


How about this one? It's a sport
But smaller engine will be better on fuel and lower mileage

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Now you've dismissed that particular car broaden your search to a facelift ML55 AMG of a similar vintage, around 2001-4

 

[DSM10000]

Land Rover Range Rover Sport 2.7 TD V6 HSE 5dr


How about this one? It's a sport
But smaller engine will be better on fuel and lower mileage

Grossly overpriced. The 2.7l diesel is not the best engine for a car of this mass. As other have said, go for the 2006 model year. The 3l V6 is far better.

Plus Sport = no split tailgate. Not a proper RR

 

[Mactech]

During 2015 I did some work for JLR and after driving a number of 'Full Fat' Range Rovers in the States I decided to scratch a long standing itch and bought a 2012MY L322 TDV8 on my return.
I can see the draw, it is a very relaxed way to travel and you can see over the hedges.
Good job I got a 3 year warranty with it as after just one year it had cost over £1400 in claims
I bailed out of the car last year and bought an Audi A6 Ultra Avant which I'd test driven over many miles as a company car in 2014.
This has very similar accommodation and performance as the RR, cost half as much to buy and fuel, and has not had a single issue.
My experience is that the reliability issues are not confined to the older ones!
My 08 ML320 ran for 75kmls with no issues at all.....

Oh! If I want to see over the hedges I take 'Vera' the Defender