Anyone been to Annecy

[grober]

It did strike me as unusual that someone would drive their entire family up a dead end road to nowhere - going hill/forest walking??-- with a granny and a 4 year old???--- maybe just a picnic----- or perhaps a clandestine meet with a nuclear fuel specialist. If there was any material/information to be exchanged it would have been probably removed by M****D. Perhaps the long delay in searching the vehicle was due to a fear of possible radioactive contamination?

 

[Apial]

What is odd is that it is reported that the murdered father decided to take an impromptu trip in his caravan because he was suffering from a bad back. I can think of many different treatments for a bad back, but towing a caravan to the Alps would be one of the tasks that I would actively avoid.

Also the timing of the holiday is also at odds with the start time of his daughters schooling. I sense that there were urgent reasons for the journey and that these reasons are yet to be discovered.

 

[markjay]

What if the 'hit' was on the cyclist and not the family?? Maybe they stumbled on his killing and not the other way around. Worth looking at?

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Iraqi aerospace boffin happens to meet Sylvain Mollier, who just happens to work for CEZUS (the global leader on the zirconium market, produces zirconium alloy tubes, bars, and sheets for pressurized water reactors (PWRs) and boiling water reactors (BWRs).) in a remote carpark and everyone gets shot targeted assassination stylee...

Interesting possibility. The British family may have been innocent victims then? And their Iraqi roots a coincidence?

 

[BTB 500]

What is odd is that it is reported that the murdered father decided to take an impromptu trip in his caravan because he was suffering from a bad back. I can think of many different treatments for a bad back, but towing a caravan to the Alps would be one of the tasks that I would actively avoid.

Do we know he towed it there (as opposed to renting a caravan that was already on-site)? The pictures did show a continental brand of caravan (with the door on what would be the offside in the UK).

 

[bernie driscoll]

"I copied the few commments on the indymedia site, earlier, just after the DA-notice comment from ‘Manchester based Journalist’, but not including the comment of 15:12 quoted by Anon here, concerning General Yossi Ben Hanan (chief of defence at Paris Israeli embassy) picking up three unknown others in helicopter at Chambrey Airport (close to the scene).

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His company

06.09.2012 13:36
He was set up by Mi6 in 2007 in a front company called AMS1087 which did aircraft based photography. They were based at the Delta office park in Wiltshire which is built on part of the old ‘Turnstile’ nuclear Command and Control bunker and is still owned by the MoD. He was loaned RAF trainer aircraft at no cost to help him get established as well as pilots and because of these advantages his company originally thrived however once he started to visit Iran in late 2010 he lost a lot of (MoD supplied) private contracts and the business almost collapsed.

It is interesting that they let him wander around France with no protection even though they knew he was an Israeli “sikul memukad” or high profile target. A deserted country road would have been ideal for the Israeli kill team sent after him.

Looks like he either outlived his usefulness or went ‘rogue’

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Watching
The cyclist who found the body was an RAF airman !!!

06.09.2012 13:48
What an amazing coincidence that the first person on the scene was a member of the RAF Regiment (the Air Force army branch) who just had to be passing on his bike !!!

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Ian
British Embassy sends twenty person team to crime scene

06.09.2012 14:05
In an unprecedented action the British Embassy in Paris has sent a twenty person team to the crime scene headed by Kara Owen the deputy British ambassador. According to local TV station ‘Demain’ people describe the British Embassy staff as being “military type”.

There is developing a cover up of massive proportions to protect Israel.

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Remember this day
Looks like they were attempting to run

06.09.2012 14:27
The local police (before they were shut up) said that the family had multiple passports including British, Iraqi, Swedish and UAE. It seems they were travelling cross country perhaps back to Iraq where they would feel safe .

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Drudge
Defence Advisory Notice is in effect here

06.09.2012 14:41
Today at 0750 we received information that a Defence Advisory Notice or ‘D Notice’ was in effect with regard to certain facts about this story.

No mention of his links to the Security Services
No mention of his links to Iran
No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing

The only place you are going to read about the real facts of this story are on sites like Indymedia.

Manchester based Journalist"

Iraqi working for Iran, Frenchman working for nuclear industry, team of ruthless assassins.

Will our govermnent be part of the cover up or have the balls to demand a certain country hands over the suspects?

 

[wemorgan]

A very sad yet intriguing story. If only half of it is true, then don't expect the truth to emerge before the best selling book and film.

 

[markjay]

There goes the Iraqi nuclear scientist theory...

Hmmm:

Digital Spy Forums - View Single Post - Four people shot dead near to Lake Annecy in France

I obviously don't know who killed them or why... but I do know that Mr. Hilli was not an 'Iraqi nuclear scientist'.... this is simply the conspiracy theorists' equivalent of 'sexing-up the dossier'.

The term 'Iraqi nuclear scientist' has all the ingredients to get (some of) us to sit up and listen, in spite of the fact that Mr Al-Hilli came to the UK as a teenager, and that Iraq does not have a nuclear program for the past 20 or 30 years...

Of course everything is possible - he may have very well been a spy, or 'illegally' traded with Iran, and he may have indeed been killed by Mossad. We do not know.

But those early statements that he was an ''Iraqi nuclear scientist'' do nothing to help find the truth - in fact they simply create misinformation and cloud-up the issue making the truth even more difficult to find.

 

[bernie driscoll]

But those early statements that he was an ''Iraqi nuclear scientist'' do nothing to help find the truth - in fact they simply create misinformation and cloud-up the issue making the truth even more difficult to find.

Note how

"No mention of his links to the Security Services
No mention of his links to Iran
No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing"

seem to be being respected by the UK "free" press.

 

[Apial]

Do we know he towed it there (as opposed to renting a caravan that was already on-site)? The pictures did show a continental brand of caravan (with the door on what would be the offside in the UK).

The number plate on the back of the caravan is OE04WJZ French Alp murders - Irish Independent Galleries

It is a Burstner and of course the caravan might have been hired once in France for the purposes of touring. But a long drive in a car with or without a van attached is an unusual back remedy?

 

[markjay]

Note how

"No mention of his links to the Security Services
No mention of his links to Iran
No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing"

seem to be being respected by the UK "free" press.

This is fine, but it is not directly related to my post.... I was referring to the making-up of fictional 'facts'.

The government's repressing of the media, or speculation about the murder, are separate issues to the above.

As I said, he may have been killed by Mosaasd, I do not know, but whoever started the ''Iraqi nuclear scientist' nonsense on the Internet clearly just made it up.

 

[bernie driscoll]

This is fine, but it is not directly related to my post.... I was referring to the making-up of fictional 'facts'.

The mainstream media is being gagged.

Fictional 'facts' are all that we are being allowed to read.

A British family have been murdered in cold blood.

 

[grober]

Far more likely he was an tech savvy intermediary/trader/ arms dealer type rather than an "expert / scientist" per se. If his family were Shia ??? with close connections to Iran maybe that's why they had to leave Iraq "in a hurry" way back? Almost limitless sums of money to be made selling technology to people/ governments who have been prevented from buying/obtaining it legitimately although sometimes old established loyalties may also play a part? The fact this occurred other than on UK soil is not without significance. And as for the "ex RAF type" eye witness "Mr X" has no journalist tracked him down yet- where was he staying locally? - he appears to have vanished off the face of the earth.

 

[Apial]

How did Saad's father die? it is suggested on digital spy that he had been missing for six days before he was found dead.

 

[markjay]

Why would a security agency - be it Mosaad, MI5/MI6, or CIA - kill a man, his wife, his mother in law, and his father....?

This is beyond comprehension. Revenge killing of some sort, yes...

Spy stories do feed our imaginations, but sometimes to the extent that we make-up facts and then believe them to be true.

 

[markjay]

The mainstream media is being gagged.

Fictional 'facts' are all that we are being allowed to read.

I agree, the press suppressing the news gives rise to weird 'facts' such the Iraqi nuclear scientist nonsense.

A British family have been murdered in cold blood.

And in what context is this statement being made? I believe we are all well aware of the gravity of the crime.

 

[bernie driscoll]

Why would a security agency - be it Mosaad, MI5/MI6, or CIA - kill a man, his wife, his mother in law, and his father....?

This is beyond comprehension. Revenge killing of some sort, yes...

When have Mossad ever been bothered about innocents?

"At 3:35 p.m. on January 22, 1979, as Salameh and four bodyguards drove down the street in a Chevrolet station wagon,[30] the explosives in the Volkswagen were detonated from the apartment with a radio device, killing everyone in the vehicle. After five unsuccessful attempts,[31] the Mossad had assassinated Salameh. However, the blast also killed four innocent bystanders, including a British student and a German nun, and injured 18 other people in the vicinity. Immediately following the operation the three Mossad officers fled without trace, as well as up to 14 other agents believed to have been involved in the operation."

 

[markjay]

When have Mossad ever been bothered about innocents?

"At 3:35 p.m. on January 22, 1979, as Salameh and four bodyguards drove down the street in a Chevrolet station wagon,[30] the explosives in the Volkswagen were detonated from the apartment with a radio device, killing everyone in the vehicle. After five unsuccessful attempts,[31] the Mossad had assassinated Salameh. However, the blast also killed four innocent bystanders, including a British student and a German nun, and injured 18 other people in the vicinity. Immediately following the operation the three Mossad officers fled without trace, as well as up to 14 other agents believed to have been involved in the operation."

Correct. Both the Israelis and the Americans are notoriously indifferent to 'collateral damage'.

But this was no car bomb - I can't find any reference in the history of Mossad or CIA assassination for specifically targeting family members per-se. In some cases even 'targets' were shot in front of their wives and kids, but the family was not harmed. Security agencies see this as 'business', and pride themselves on their 'professionalism'.

Furthermore, one post here appears to claim that his father was also killed in a separate incident.

When looking at the evidence impartially, doesn't revenge seem like a more plausible explanation?

Of course, you could argue that the murder was intentionally made to look like a revenge attack by someone with a grudge.... this can't be ruled out. But it is far from enough to bring up the kind of theories that sprang-up overnight.

 

[bernie driscoll]

When looking at the evidence impartially, doesn't revenge seem like a more plausible explanation?

Iraqi working for Iran, Frenchman working for nuclear industry, team of ruthless assassins.

Everyone gets topped to make sure there are no witnesses (they might be little girls, they're just Arabs after all so they don't matter) and give time for assassins to get away.

Government press gagging order - don't mention Israel.

Not hard to join the dots, is it?

It might be in the national interests of the worlds most paranoid country, but is it in ours?

 

[markjay]

Iraqi working for Iran...

And that is an established fact, is it? Because it has NOT been mentioned by the repressed media it must be true...

Again , I don't know who killed him, may have been Mossad for all I care.. I am simply astonished at the speed that 'facts' come up leading to conclusions, and when the 'facts' are found to he incorrect they are promptly replaced with new 'facts' but leaving the original 'conclusion' intact... reverse engineering comes to mind.

 

[bernie driscoll]

And that is an established fact, is it? Because it has NOT been mentioned by the repressed media it must be true...

Again , I don't know who killed him, may have been Mossad for all I care.. I am simply astonished at the speed that 'facts' come up leading to conclusions, and when the 'facts' are found to he incorrect they are promptly replaced with new 'facts' but leaving the original 'conclusion' intact... reverse engineering comes to mind.

True facts have been repressed, now we get the sanititized version which stops people rightly asking why the UK government won't let out even a whimper of condemnation when another country's agents target 7 year old British children.

France shooting 'may be linked to armed gang', say police - Telegraph

Media blames carjackers.

How often to carjackers shoot everyone in the head and leave the car behind?