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You should have tried the Goodyear F1 As3s. You get very close to the dry grip of the MPSS tyres, but a lot better wet weather performance. Just where you need it the most. It does help to calm down the rear end compared to the contis. They are quite wide for their stated sizes too. Quieter and a noticeably better ride than the contis too.
Looking forward to trying the 4 S tyres, hopefully they will move the game on.l
It’s funny that we’ve been round this “it’s all a con, there’s no difference / yes there is, the construction is different” discussion many times on this form and, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, some still insist that there’s no difference between MO and standard spec tyres [emoji849]I was never sure how much difference there would be until I was shown for myself when I asked the question at the Pirelli Performance Centre in Burton upon Trent. The guy there wasn't only able to tell ,e, he could show me able to show me!
+1 for the F1 As3’s.You should have tried the Goodyear F1 As3s. You get very close to the dry grip of the MPSS tyres, but a lot better wet weather performance.
Lol so must be just normal then my conti 5 didn’t last long enough to shred inside hahahaI shredded the inside of conti 5's (MO spec) so, no don't think so
Plus one for Pirelli.
I've always preferred them on my bikes, not for the ultimate grip levels but for the feeling you get back from the road.
IMO they are much easier to predict at the limit.
I've just fitted 4 to my W204 and there is just so much more feel for what is going on underneath than the previous Contis ever had.
Cheaper too
Pirelli use the same Pzero brand to cover a broad range of tyres across many years of production - they don't use a number to denote version/iteration/generation, so in one fitment/application they could be just rereleased and class leading, but in another fitment they could be old-tech and back of the class.The Pirelli's always seem to get a bad review on here but I've found them to be very predictable and wear okay. Some of that might be down to the diff I accept but I honestly can't find anything 'terrible' about them?
I've never understood why Pirelli do this, and having been bitten by rubbish performance in cold & wet conditions by more than one set of P Zero's once they are down to 5mm of tread, I'm not prepared to play Russian Roulette with another set. I will say that in all other conditions, and when new, their performance is fine but I use my E63 as a daily driver all year round and consider them a liability in conditions that the Conti 5P and Eagle F1 As3's handle with ease.Pirelli use the same Pzero brand to cover a broad range of tyres across many years of production - they don't use a number to denote version/iteration/generation, so in one fitment/application they could be just rereleased and class leading, but in another fitment they could be old-tech and back of the class.
On a more modestly powered car this is less of an issue, but I agree entirely that once you're talking about 450+ bhp high performance, relatively heavy, RWD saloon cars, the choices that the tyre manufacturers make to give top levels of grip and an acceptable rate of wear in warmer conditions mean that the tyre performance drops off significantly when it gets cold and wet. My experience on E63's is that of the MO-spec tyres, Pirelli is hands down the worst in that respect with the Conti 5P's still maintaining reasonable levels of grip. I would say that the Eagle F1 As3's are at least the equal of the 5P's when part worn and it's cold and wet with regards to grip, and they're significantly quieter too.I don't think any non-winter tyres are great in the cold and wet once they get a bit worn.
Well said! I think Kiran was using Mich Pilot Super Sports (if I read his comments correctly.... unless he's changed since)..... I have those on my Ultima and I'm not really a fan, the sidewalls seem quite soft and under high speed cornering, the car feels a little unstable, like it's dropping into a yaw moment. Not sure if the 4S sidewall is stronger? Certainly I think the C63 needs more rubber on the road and a more aggressive (grippier) compound, hence my plans to move to 265 wide 4S tyres...
Anyway, last weekend I mounted my winter set of Michelin PA4's which should pretty much guarantee a heatwave over the next month or so, so it's all a bit academic...
In warmer conditions - say 8c and above - they definitely don't have the initial bite on turn in that good summer tyres do, but my experience with them (I first ran them through last winter) is that things improve as it gets colder to the point where they feel really good once you're down to around zero degrees on a crisp, dry day. In fact (and unsurprisingly), they're an almost perfect mirror of summer tyres. The only other winter tyres I've used were Conti TS830P's on my E350CDI and they exhibited a similar trait, but the PA4's seem to have more grip than the TS830P's in pretty much all circumstances.How are you finding the PA4's, I've replaced my MPSS with them for the winter and whilst rear grip has certainly improved I'm finding that I'm a bit unsure of the front end. Turn in and front end grip is just not as inspiring wet or dry.
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