flango
Hardcore MB Enthusiast
Roads are just roads - they don't have a wrong side.
So why put a line down the middle then Its not there for fun is it
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Roads are just roads - they don't have a wrong side.
So why put a line down the middle then Its not there for fun is it
It's there as a guide.
Unless it is a solid single or double, you can cross it should you need to so that if say a removal lorry is parked there blocking the carriageway you are on for 4 hours, you can cross the white line to pass it rather than wait 4 hours and 30 seconds before you can be on your way again.
^^^^this^^^^you can pass a stationery vehicle on a solid white line.
A vehicle pulling out of a side turning onto a more major road is always deemed at fault due to crossing the give way line. They didn't give way.
Totally agree it's a guide, cross that guide line and you increase your liability (ask any accident investigator). Broken white lines of any type can be crossed but you must do so with due care and consideration, thats all I am saying. If something hits you the wrong side of that line IMHO you did not give it full care and consideration and did not anticipate an emerging or probable hazard.
Would you consider passing a stopped vehicle over the white line at 18mph not paying due care and attention?
flango said:Totally agree it's a guide, cross that guide line and you increase your liability (ask any accident investigator). Broken white lines of any type can be crossed but you must do so with due care and consideration, thats all I am saying. If something hits you the wrong side of that line IMHO you did not give it full care and consideration and did not anticipate an emerging or probable hazard.
Would you consider passing a stopped vehicle over the white line at 18mph not paying due care and attention?
You can consider traffic approaching the junction, but unless it's actually visible you can't do a lot more. Traffic jointing a roadway look both ways. Granny crossing a good example of why.
Some people sometimes seem to forget the existence of the Highway Code when discussing these issues, so evidently it is not a factor which influences their driving.
You're right. Crossing a white line to overtake a stationary, or slowly moving vehicle, does not in itself amount to lack of due care and attention, nor increase the degree of liability, whether the line is broken or continuous.
Rules 127 - 129 of the Highway Code apply.
Some people sometimes seem to forget the existence of the Highway Code when discussing these issues, so evidently it is not a factor which influences their driving.
What is a 'stationary vehicle'?
I think we agree that a parked vehicle is stationary.
And I think we agree that a vehicle that momentarily stopped due to heavy traffic is not. Do not agree
How about someone stopping to drop off a passenger ? A Taxi? Or a bus at a bus stop?
Are these 'stationery', or momentarily stopped?
I think it not a simple question of whether the other vehicle's wheels were rolling or not, but instead that the duration of and the reason for stopping are relevant.
No, cannot agree, Mark. 'Stationary' is 'stopped', wheels not turning, vehicle not moving. What you are describing is the difference between 'stationary' and 'parked'....
So are you suggesting that it is permissible to overtake vehicles queueing in traffic over a solid white line because the cars in front of you are all 'stationary'...?
Or, for example, if the car in front of you at a traffic light did not start moving fast enough when the light turns green thus leaving a gap between itself and the vehicle in front of it - you can overtake it breaking a solid white line because it is not moving hence 'stationary'?
I don't think you can say that it is permissible to overtake a stationary vehicles while breaking a white line, and then insist that a stationary vehicle is any car whose wheels are not rolling - or our streets would pale in comparison to GTA V....
What is a 'stationary vehicle'?
I think we agree that a parked vehicle is stationary.
And I think we agree that a vehicle that momentarily stopped due to heavy traffic is not.
How about someone stopping to drop off a passenger ? A Taxi? Or a bus at a bus stop?
Are these 'stationery', or momentarily stopped?
I think it not a simple question of whether the other vehicle's wheels were rolling or not, but instead that the duration of and the reason for stopping are relevant.
I don't understand why "we" have to psychoanalyse every post on here, now??No, cannot agree, Mark. 'Stationary' is 'stopped', wheels not turning, vehicle not moving. What you are describing is the difference between 'stationary' and 'parked'.
For example:-
The Driver and the Environment
Would you consider passing a stopped vehicle over the white line at 18mph not paying due care and attention?
I would consider passing a stationary bus in an HGV a high risk activity even at 18 mph and one which carries a higher risk of incident.
I don't understand why "we" have to psychoanalyse every post on here, now??
What could stationery mean, other than stopped?
Sorry Mark your hypothesizing is in danger of straying into the realms of fantasy, but your query is answered in Rule 129 of the Highway Code. Apply it with common sense.
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