Pledge review

[R2D2]

I'm genuinely interested in your experiment but can we keep Jesus out of it. It's lent and next week is Holy Week...Cheers.

 

[neilrr]

Shouldn't that be a reason for a bit more Jesus, not less?

 

[C43AMG]

Greg why would even think of using Pledge or Mr Sheen or any other furnish polish ?

 

[R2D2]

Ah it all started with this thread!

http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/detailing/168674-thanks-tescos-your-gem.html

Though I'm beginning to wish I hadn't bothered! LOL

 

[brucemillar]

Ah it all started with this thread!

http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/detailing/168674-thanks-tescos-your-gem.html

Though I'm beginning to wish I hadn't bothered! LOL

I'm pretty sure that Hitler used to do his dusting & polishing with Pledge.

 

[C43AMG]

Ah it all started with this thread!

http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/detailing/168674-thanks-tescos-your-gem.html

Though I'm beginning to wish I hadn't bothered! LOL

I bet you have. I just couldn't see you thinking I wonder if the furniture polish that my wife is using would be any better than AutoGlym :fail

 

[R2D2]

LOL Well get this!!! The Silicon in Pledge is Polydimethylsiloxanes

This is the products using the same chemical!!!

Household Products Database - Health and Safety Information on Household Products


In particular...


Brand Category Form Percent

Armor All Car Wax, Paste-Discontinued Product Auto Products paste <10
Armor All Ultra Shine Protectant-Old Product Auto Products liquid 25-35
Rain X The Invisible Windshield Wiper Auto Products liquid <9
Black Magic Professional Protectant-10/31/2002-Old Product Auto Products liquid 10.0-50.0
Snap Silicone Spray-discontinued Auto Products aerosol 1.0-5.0
AutoFom Fomblin A Auto Products liquid
STP Son of A Gun! 1 Step Tire Protectant-03/12/1998-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 20-25
STP Son of a Gun Vinyl Protectant-Discontinued Product Auto Products liquid 15-30
Trak Protectant Auto Products liquid 10.0-30.0

Meguiars Vinyl/Rubber Cleaner/Conditioner-10/01/2003-Old Product Auto Products liquid 15-25
Sprayway Auto Care Wax and Shine No. 703 Auto Products aerosol <7.0
CRC Marine Silicone Lubricant Auto Products aerosol <5
Armor All Tire Foam, Aerosol-10/01/2007-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 10.0-15.0
Silicone Adhesive Sealant Clear Auto Products aerosol 85-90
Dielectric Grease Auto Products grease 75-85
Meguiars Yellow Wax Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Meguiars Deep Crystal Deep Gloss Polish-Old Product Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Meguiars NXT Generation Insane Shine Tire Spray, G13124 Auto Products pump spray 60-80
Liquid Glass Ultra Auto Polish/Cleaner/Finish Auto Products liquid 12
Permatex No Touch High Shine Tire Care Auto Products aerosol 15-40
Permatex No Touch Wet N Protect Wet Tire Finish Auto Products aerosol 15-40
Permatex Ultra Copper Maximum Temperature RTV Silicone Gasket Maker Auto Products paste 20-40
Meguiars Gold Class Leather Conditioner, G18616 Auto Products pump spray 10.0-30.0
Meguiars Ultimate Wax Liquid, G18216 Auto Products liquid 3.0-7.0
Eagle One EnviroShine Tire Shine Gel Auto Products pump spray 20.0-40.0
Eagle One Wet Tire Shine Auto Products pump spray 10.0-15.0
Armor All Tire Foam Protectant-06/01/2011 Auto Products aerosol 10.0-15.0
Armor All Flash Black Tire Care-Discontinued Product Auto Products liquid 10.0-30.0
Armor All Original Protectant-Old Product Auto Products liquid 15-25
Armor All Tire Foam Protectant-9/07/2000-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 10.0-20.0
Armor All Low Gloss Protectant-Old Product Auto Products liquid 10.0-20.0
Simoniz Advanced Total Car Finish/Polish Auto Products liquid
Gunk Silicone Spray Lubricant-11/01/2001-discontinued Auto Products aerosol
Rain X Ultra Wax Liquid-09/06/2002 Auto Products liquid <5
The Right Stuff Gasket Maker-03/01/2001 Auto Products aerosol 5.0-20.0
Black Magic Professional Protectant-discontinued Auto Products liquid
STP Son of a Gun! Tire Glaze-Discontinued Product Auto Products liquid 10.0-30.0
Trak Auto Tire Dressing-discontinued Auto Products liquid 10.0-30.0
Westleys Black Magic Tire Wet-Old Product Auto Products liquid
Westleys Concentrated Liquid Auto Polish-Discontinued Auto Products liquid
STP Son of A Gun! 1 Step Tire Protectant-07/23/1999-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 20-25
Meguiars Cleaner Wax-05/19/2003 Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Armor All Car Wax 2 Qts.-Discontinued Product Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
MaryKate Clear Vinyl Cleaner and Polish Auto Products aerosol 3.0-6.0
STP One Step Tire Care, Aerosol-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 10.0-15.0
Simoniz Super Blue Liquid Car Wax Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
The Right Stuff Gasket Maker-Old Product Auto Products aerosol 5.0-20.0
Meguiars Deep Crystal Carnauba Wax Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Meguiars Vinyl/Rubber Cleaner/Conditioner-Old Product Auto Products liquid 15-25
Meguiars Deep Crystal Gloss Polish, A21-06/12/2006 Auto Products liquid 1.0-5.0
Meguiars Next Generation Hot Shine Tire Coating Aerosol, G138 Auto Products aerosol 10.0-25.0
Liquid Glass PreCleaner Auto Products liquid 5
Permatex No Touch Original Tire Care Auto Products aerosol <5
Meguiars Endurance Tire Spray, G15524 Auto Products pump spray 10.0-30.0
Meguiars Ultimate Black, G15812 Auto Products gel 10.0-30.0
Meguiars Ultimate Protectant Spray, G14716 Auto Products pump spray 10.0-30.0
Pledge, Orange Fresh, Aerosol-discontinued Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge Furniture Wipes, Lemon-Old Product Inside the Home towelette 3.0-7.0
Lemon Pledge, Pump Spray Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0
Pledge, Orange Fresh, Aerosol-08/22/2008 Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge Wipes With Orange Oil-08/22/2008 Inside the Home wipes 3.0-7.0
Pledge Furniture Polish-Lemon Scent-Old Product Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0
Lemon Pledge, Aerosol-Old Product Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge with Orange Oil-Old Product Inside the Home liquid 1.0-3.0
Pledge Clean and Dust-04/06/2006-Old Product Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge Furniture Polish-Lemon Scent-11/01/2005 Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0
Lemon Pledge, Aerosol-08/22/2008 Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0
Pledge Orange Oil Furniture Polish-03/23/2009 Inside the Home liquid 1.0-5.0
Pledge with Orange Oil-03/23/2009 Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0
Pledge Smear Free Furniture Care Spray-Lemon Scent-discontinued Inside the Home aerosol 3.0-7.0
Pledge Clean and Shine Furniture Polish, Orange Inside the Home aerosol 5.0-10.0

 

[C43AMG]

Amazing !!

 

[R2D2]

Meguiars Ultimate Wax Liquid, G18216 Auto Products liquid 3.0-7.0 %

Lemon Pledge, Pump Spray Inside the Home pump spray 1.0-5.0%

Well I hope anyone who uses Megs doesn't need their car repainted!

 

[R2D2]

Wax specifically for single stage paint? [Archive] - Detail Paradise - Australian Detailing Forum & Community

This reply from DoDo and I think sets the record straight. Silicon is in nearly all waxes and sealants.

DodoFactory

26-09-2008, 09:13 AM

There are a few points that need to be made here.

The first is that most high end products on the detailing market will contain some form of silicone, variant or derivative. Natural waxes that perform at the highest of levels simply don't exist. Note that sealants are basically made almost entirely of silicone polymers, and that many high end waxes are essentially wax/sealant hybrids. If a manufacturer chooses not to disclose an ingredient, that may be for intellectual property or marketing reasons, but it does not mean the product doesn't contain it.

We have spectrum analysed a number of waxes from rival manufacturers and they unmistakably contain silicone - the trace is obvious. Some of the consumer descriptions are fanciful at best. For legal reasons I am not going to disclose the names of these waxes or even confirm or deny the presence of silicone in our products lest a conclusion be drawn from a previous statement made on this forum (it is also worth noting that the exact Dodo Juice formulas are a secret even from me, for intellectual property reasons - our chemists guard these carefully and I only have a rough indication of formulation). What I will say, however, is that silicones will be found in most high end products on the market and you can make of that statement what you will. Not every product made will have them, but waxes, quick detailers etc are a likely group.

I would ask anyone interested in silicone content to get a product independently analysed, or get the manufacturer - not manufacturer's agent (Joel, I hope you realise the distinction I am getting at here as it is relevant) - to make a formal and attributable public statement so that the claim can be proved or disproved. You will not get sense from distributors as manufacturers will not generally disclose specific formulation information to them. And don't believe the labels. I saw a sealant labelled as a wax at the weekend during some testing, presumably as most consumers wouldn't know what a sealant was. An innocent change, but that product will contain silicone polymers galore and not a lot of 'natural' wax at all!

OK, point 2. Silicones may be man made but they are not the devil's product people make them out to be - just as carnauba is not as special (or rare, or expensive) as wax manufacturers would have you believe. And remember plastic and nylon are evil as well... lots of stuff is man made. That's progress, folks. Silicones have simply had a bad press. The problem is largely a result of aerosol based silicones that plagued bodyshops in the 80s... they were difficult to clean from paint and floated in the air to cause 'fish-eyeing' during painting. Silicones therefore became 'bad' as a breed, when the reality is that *some* silicones *used to be* bad. Modern silicones can be water based, 'bodyshop' safe and have no more of an environmental or health risk than many other man made products (and even many natural ones... like pure turpentine oil!). Remember that Silicon in its raw and natural form makes up 27 per cent of the earth's crust.

So assuming you still hate silicones and will never touch a sealant again, or use the furniture polish in your home, let's move on to point 3. What counts as natural? Dodo Juice waxes are substantially 'natural' because they use natural waxes at the core of the recipe, but we could not claim for them to be organic or 100% natural. Why? Simply because the wax used in manufacture is refined and processed, and we use modern (low VOC) solvents. They are similar in formulation to their rivals.

Now let's assume that everything natural is good. Let's assume that pure orange oil isn't an explosive and aggressive solvent, but basically super concentrated orange juice. Let's assume that turpentine oil isn't a poison. Let's assume that we can get hold of raw, unrefined wax, untouched by modern refining processes. What would the result be? Well, I made a wax that would probably be classed as 95% natural using pure natural (but arguably refined) ingredients, as you simply can't get hold of unrefined products without digging them out of the ground yourself. The result was mediocre at best. Nature is good, but not that good. And if you used unrefined products, your wax would be full of contaminants that refining removes (and these dirt particles would probably swirl your clearcoat). So if you believe 100% natural waxes exist, you are incorrect. And if you believe even a 95% natural wax would perform better than a natural/man made wax hybrid (as all waxes are to a greater or lesser extent) then you'd also be wrong. If you don't believe me, make one. I speak from experience. To think that something natural outperforms a modern variation is like expecting cotton or silk to be as high-performing as Goretex on an arctic expedition. Or for butter to be as healthy as a low cholesterol margarine.

Natural is a marketing point, not a performance point. End of.

The saddest part of this discussion is that misinformation is still rife in the industry, and those seeking to enlighten consumers have the most to lose from a marketing point of view. At Dodo Juice, we will not misinform or misguide and will only market the truth (even if words are chosen carefully). If I have not declared an obvious hand re silicones here it is simply for legal reasons due to a previous forum post. However, the stigma attached to silicone is outdated and ignorant and needs countering, so I am happy to do that here.
Hopefully that is of some use. It is rare I join a forum just to comment on a particular thread, so please bear with me if the replies are a timezone out. I am a member of too many forums for my own good and it is difficult keeping tabs on all of them.

If anyone has any questions they can email me at dom -at- dodojuice -dot- com rather than take this off topic. And please also note that I don't contribute to forums to sell our products or spam. I just try and educate and inform from the gamekeepers side of the fence, and as a (very) amateur chemist.

Regards
DF

 

[R2D2]

63148-62-9 is the actual chemical in Pledge

Ref: http://www.westliberty.edu/health-and-safety/files/2012/08/Pledge.pdf

63148-62-9 is the same chemical in Meg G70 Gold Class

"Meguiar's G70, Gold Class Paste Car Wax
Chemwatch: 4910-96
Version No: 10.1.1.1
Safety Data Sheet according to WHS and ADG requirements

SECTION 3 COMPOSITION / INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Substances
See section below for composition of Mixtures
Mixtures
CAS No %[weight] Name
64742-48-9. 30-60 naphtha petroleum, isoparaffin, hydrotreated
Not Available 10-30 organic salt, trade secret
66402-68-4 7-13 calcined flint clay
63148-62-9 7-13 polydimethylsiloxane
64742-47-8. 5-10 isoparaffins petroleum hydrotreated HFP
64742-46-7. 0.1-1 distillates, petroleum, middle, hydrotreated

 

[Charles Morgan]

Thanks R2, that's very funny!

I wonder if the silicon thing still applies to antique wood - I have been told so many times not to use Pledge on antiques (and have told my cleaners more times than that!).

 

[Sp!ke]

so based on the above, rainex is probably the same stuff as some of these expensive protectorants.

 

[R2D2]

so based on the above, rainex is probably the same stuff as some of these expensive protectorants.

The main ingredient of Gtechniq is 64742-47-8 which happens to also be the main ingredient of ....

http://wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd453764182.pdf

http://gtechniq.com/resource-centre...52c2f902f17335693fb3d829552&fname=p1_MSDS.pdf

and also

http://www.meguiars.co.uk/attach/downloads/mv79___velocity_quick_prep_cleanerdefaultenglish_gb.pdf

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=SSSSSuUn_zu8l00xM82Blxm9nv70k17zHvu9lxtD7SSSSSS--

Don't shoot the messenger!

 

[Sp!ke]

this thread just gets more and more interesting

 

[brucemillar]

this thread just gets more and more interesting

Well it's certainly starting to shine above the rest. R2 is to be commended for polishing up his knowledge. A shining example to us all.

 

[R2D2]

63148-62-9 otherwise known as "pledge silicon" is also in Gtechniq M1. In actual fact 20-40% by weight.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=bssi8uklNjhLdg0YViZZ-A&bvm=bv.64542518,d.bGE

I won't post all the links but Turtlewax and 3M use it as well.

 

[R2D2]

Chemical Information
Chemical Name: Polydimethylsiloxanes (Silicon oil)
CAS Registry Number: 063148-62-9
Synonyms: Polysiloxane; Dimethylpolysiloxane (2); Silicone oil; Siloxanes and Silicones, dimethyl-; Polydimethylsiloxanes; Siloxanes and Silicones, di-Me; Dimethicone

As found in most car cleaning products and Pledge!

 

[RBYCC]

Silicon products typically can be removed by a dish detergent like Dawn.
Dawn is commonly used in the USA to strip old wax off before a polymer sealant is applied to the paint.

Silicon was more problematic with older acrylic enamel finishes.
It would bond with the paint and cause fish eyes on a repaint.

Clear coats don't have this problem....

Ed A.

 

[balge]

Amusingly PDMS is also known as 'E900' and used in food production as an anti-foaming agent. Sounds yummy.
And in breast implants apparently. Who knew.

BTW it's 'silicone' not 'silicon' (which is a metal)