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1973 350sl fuel question

kurtdaley

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My cousin who owns the car has to put a fuel additive in the petrol every few fill ups.
Is there any kind of conversion he can get so that it runs on unleaded without having to add this additive?
Many thanks Kurt
 
I think they've all got hard valve seat inserts. All I was told was not to thrash it for any distance and it would be OK. I tried Millars additive but it carboned up the valve seats badly.
 
He'll need new cylinder heads with hardened valve seats.

Sounds expensive, will this cost much?

If it's mega pricey I think he'll just live with it.
It would be interesting to see how much it would be.
Cheers Kurt
 
See Druk's comment, given the era of the car, I assumed the cylinder head would not have hardened valve seats. That would be the first point you'd need to confirm.
What's the problem with using the additive?
 
See Druk's comment, given the era of the car, I assumed the cylinder head would not have hardened valve seats. That would be the first point you'd need to confirm.
What's the problem with using the additive?

Just a bit of a ball ache, weighing up whether it would be cheaper to convert it in the long run.
 
Idk how much additive costs per tankful... have you worked it out? I doubt that would make a cogent argument for getting new (or modifying existing) heads, which as you anticipate, would be pricey.

I drove a VW Beetle with original (leaded fuel) heads, and the previous owner must have used unleaded in it as 6 months into ownership I realised that the engine was shot. Absolutely no power. It transpired that 6 of the 8 valves were burnt out, it's a wonder it was running. After rebuilding the heads and pistons, (the seats had to be ground back substantially) it ran sweetly. After that, once I filled-up with unleaded without the additive- this was when 4* was transitioning out- the car didn't like it, like pinking but sounded pretty mechanical and very low on power. I didn't chance it again.

I'd say if your cousin isn't experiencing problems with the current setup to continue the routine. Then do the cost benefit analysis: how many miles does he/she do, is the engine running well currently, how long is the car going to be kept.

My first point would be to check if the valve seat inserts in the car are hardened or not. I don't know how you check that, but maybe someone on here will know (?). If your cousin is using an additive, it must be for a reason, spurious or otherwise. If the seats are hardened and therefore accepting of unleaded, I see no reason to use the additive, except if LRP additive technology has moved-on in the last 10 years.
 
Sadly the 350SL never had hardened valve seats so , as above , the best option is to have them fitted to enable the car to be safely tun on unleaded fuel .

I don't really agree with the comment above that it depends , among other factors , on ' how long the car is going to be kept ' as this approach just creates/stores up problems for the next owner of the vehicle ; please remember that , as owners of classic cars , we are custodians of little pieces of history that need to be preserved for future generations , otherwise the world will be a poorer place with no examples of our fine cars left to be appreciated .

For a definitive list of which cars have hardened valve seats , and which don't , I have scanned the following couple of pages from the Sept/Oct 1999 issue of the Mercedes-Benz Club Gazette , trusting that no one will mind me reproducing it here as it is yet another good example of the many merits of joining the 'official' club ; the information also resides in the 'technical library' area of the club website so is readily accessible to paid up members who don't have this issue of the Gazette .

valveseats1.jpg
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There used to be a site www.leadedpetrol.co.uk which listed all the petrol stations throughout the UK , of which there were surprisingly many ( one or two in most large cities ) still selling four star leaded petrol , as opposed to LRP . Unfortunately , the site seems now to have gone but I understand there is still leaded fuel available around the country .

The last option is to use an additive such as the one listed below , which claims to turn unleaded back into genuine leaded fuel

tetraboost

Further information on fuel matters here

FBHVC Fuel Information
 
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