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1980s W123 MERCEDES 280CE - opinion

Bill_33

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I am really getting into these "older" Mercs

I have been offered a good 280CE for just over £2,000

What are they like? - I am used to the W124s and later but have never driven a W123

What should I look out for apart from the obvious body rust, interior wear and tear and usual engine "noises"

Cheers
 
excellent car..

saw an awesome one down in kingston today.. gorgeous aqua green colour, original.. and also saw an old 300sl - 1950s model.. nice nice!

in terms of w123s.. one of the simplest cars to maintain and live with.

look for the obvious, rust, rattle and shake..
Electrics go on for ever, but wiring loom probs can occur.

i say, go for it, as the car will never loose u money.

If low mileage excellent example, might even appreciate etc
 
tread carefully.
You could be buying a bargain that will appreciate; you could equally be buying something that in reality is worth about £5 because of the cost of repairs required.
If you do not know your way around the w123s then I would suggest inspect it with your own common sense and if it passes that test then get it inspected by an expert.
 
look for rust everywhere and then look again.

W123s are very good at hiding rust and a seemingly solid one can turn out to be made of cheese :)
 
The M110 280 is THIRSTY , about 18 mpg at best with a light foot , some people run them on unleaded , others reckon they need the valves done or seek out the few remaining 4* pumps which still lurk here and there .

These cars were aimed at the American market - so don't think there is anything wrong when you find it has a very soft ride and generally 'floaty' handling : they were all like this even from new . The W124 series got back to the much sharper handling as found on the preceeding W114/115 series .

As said above - look for rust : front inner wings are a favourite place (make sure the drain channels next to the bonnet hinges are clear , otherwise trapped water can lead to rust) ; siezed bonnet hinges are another common fault with front wing removal needed to replace ; rear arches ; boot floor ; interior floorpans - lift carpets to check for water ingress .

The electric windows can tend to have slowed down in their old age - a combination of corroded electrical contacts (replace fuses with new ones even if not blown) and build up of dirt in mechanisms/lubrication drying out . The rear windows in the pillarless coupes can be particularly troublesome . Electric sunrooves can also give similar trouble , along with the well known rotting of the drain tube channels coming out of the tray which leads to water ingress .

The usual things like rotting of fuel and brake lines underneath need to be checked for , but these are very durable cars .

Having said all the above , some of these cars are 33 years old now , it is highly doubtful much of the newer stuff will have held up as well by the time they reach the same age .

If you do buy it , Mark Cosovich ( the UK's leading W123 guru - tel 01792 846888) will be your new , best friend .

Good luck .
 
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As above.. but Mark Cosovich will scare you to death as he is one for immaculate cars only! That said, a very useful resource...

The main thing is rust.. W123's hide it very well, better than any other MB that I know so look extra hard... bottoms of bonnet hinges, floors, sills... press on these areas with your fist, a visual inspection will reveal nothing.
 
The Mercedes W123 Place

Mercedes-Benz W123: Information from Answers.com

"some people run them on unleaded , others reckon they need the valves done or seek out the few remaining 4* pumps which still lurk here and there ."

Don't forget lead-substitute products such as Castrol's Valvemaster, which I have used in my 1984 Capri 2.8i for nearly six years with no problems at all. You can buy it direct and get six for the price of five, or something like that. Tel. 01954 231666.

Also:
http://www.leadedpetrol.co.uk/list.htm
 
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I've had 2 W123 280 CEs and used to get about 22mpg, so v. thirsty but perhaps not an issue for low annual mileages. As others have said, the main enemy is rust, which can be very well hidden. Problem areas on my cars were inner & outer sills, wheel arches, bottom of rear windscreen (the seal starts to leak with age) and under the front headlights. Check for water leaks, especially if it has a sunroof. Drainage holes can often block, especially under the bonnet springs. Rear windows can be problematic. Engine & gearbox usually very strong. The Mercedes Classic centre in Stuttgart confirm that they run fine on unleaded.

I have a 230e now, which is only a little less powerful, but much better mpg (about 28mpg on average). I do miss the 6-cylinder howl under acceleration though.
 
The one that I was offered has been sold

and you have all put me off one I was going to bid for on EBay as I just cannot get to view and inspect it

Pity
 
No, don't get put off! W123's are the best everyday Mercedes ever made, just buy one you can see first. I'd get a 230E, as much as I love the 2.8 110 engine, just too thirsty and the 2.3 doesn't feel much slower. I've had one in Sydney for about 10 years now, lovely car to drive around town.
 
You could also go to Martyn Marrocco in Yorkshire who is starting up production of V-8 engined W123's " The W123 that Stuttgart never built " : these will be ground up restored cars specced out according to the customer's requirements and effectively a new car . A 3.8 litre demonstrator with 5 speed manual transmission is currently being built .

Further details over on the MBOC forum , but you have to be a member .
 
Ideally if you can get it up on a set of ramps and have a look underneath.

Also check for play on the steering box and also leaking front and rear screens.

Check the bottom of the doors for rust...these are very expensive to replace. Also check the floorpan.

These are additional common problems. The only cure re winscreen leaking is to remove it, repair the rust properly and have the winscreen reinstalled by someone who knows ehat they are doing.

Also note that the chromework, and body parts for this car are becoming seriously expensive, so if you are looking to go down the renovation route, you are talking big money.
 
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