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A class some questions

shorty

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I am thinking of getting an A class , most likley an early model around 99 or 00 . It would be a 140 petrol .
I still intend to keep the E class , I just want a second car that would be easier on the pocket to run . Im currently using my ZX10 and the wifes MR2 as my daily drivers . While i really like using them there not practial or easy to run . The MR2 only just manages 20 mpg and the bike will chew through a rear tyre in 2000 miles .
So this has me thinking of getting an A class . I have read that these cars can be expensive to fix whan they got wrong due to poor access , how true is this , and is there any other possible problems that can be related to this model .
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Steve
 
As has been said many times - the earlier A Class (W168) is best avoided. MB got them right (W169) from 2005 onwards.
 
Late 168's are ok as long as they are manual. My advice is to get a diesel one as they are very economical.
 
Thanks for the replys lads .
I dont want spending over 2k on this car and that means the i can only manage to buy an early one .
What size where the diesel engines in the A class , where the 1.7 ? That would increase the cost of road tax to around 500 euro , whares the 1.4 is around 300 euro . I reckon with the low milage id be doing , agound 100 per week , that the petrol would cost me the same to run per year
 
We've just bought a 168 , but make sure you get a manual.

Ours is 2000 ( W reg ) and an A190 , and to be honest it's a little flying machine. We paid about £2k for it , 80k miles. Avantgarde is the way to go , as the trim is nicer.

Today i have just taken the ECU out of it to be repaired , as ECU/MAF failure is a common problem on the 168 . MB will quote you £1.5k to fix it , but it can be repaired for £200.

If you can before you buy one , get it on a STAR and get a printout of faults, if it's showing an ECU fault , signal voltage too low , then you will need to sort the ECU out so budget for that.

Another common problem is broken springs , in our history documents all 4 of ours were replaced at 50k miles , so look out for these.

DO NOT under any circumstances buy an auto or semi auto unless you like spending money , as they will go wrong at some point (100%).

I'm no expert on the 168 , but the 168 owners bible ( both before and after purchase ) is run by a chap called Albert Rowe , link below.

Albert Rowe, Lofty's homepage

Good luck.
 
Thanks Howard for the info , very useful . If I go to view any il take STAR with me and check codes . Ill also try to find an Avantgarde , i always prefer this spec on the E and C .
 
Hello

We had our A210L Evo for over 4 years and it was a great little car. 40MPG even from a 2.1 !! go for the LWB and there is more leg room than your E class.
Lots of people say avoid them?? not sure how many of these actually owned one?

Brother has a A170Cdi for his wife and does 50+ mpg


Agree only thing I would say is go for a Manual and if possible a facelifted.
 
Thanks , I was gonna look for an auto but after the comments il not bother and il buy a manual . What kind of MPG could i expect form a 1.4 petrol .
 
Hello

I would be guessing but would think 40mpg at least?

Ours had a 2.1 and it was a very lazy engine so hardly using any revs at any speed, I was always amazed it did so well.

It it worth loking at the petrol A160's also or is the tax in ireland a big jump? you may find the fuel is hardly any different. Aslo from memory there was quite a nice special called a picadilly? which may be worth a look at.
 
Well, my parents have had A-classes for a long time now and all four have been autos. The first one (an S reg A160) never gave any problems gearbox wise and the same goes for the 52 plate A140 that mum has kept. The 04 plate A160 and A170 CDI were both quite troublesome though.
I've been driving the A140 auto for about 18 months or so and I think it's a very pleasant little car to drive. Economy wise we reckon that it gets anywhere between 34 and 42, depending on conditions, how many are in the car and so on.
If you're looking at an A-class listen for any clunks when driving. As Howard says the springs are prone to breaking, quite regularly too if the surfaces are rough, trailing arms get damaged and drop links start knocking too. When doing low speed parking, a lot of cars will make a clonking noise from the steering, this is due to worn universal joints on the steering column which is rather poorly designed. As a result, you may well find A-classes which have had columns replaced and even racks in some cases.
Bodily, they can rust,check the rear wheel arches, the bonnet, especially next to the grille, and check the door bottoms too as plastic bottoms can get dirt into them and cause rust.
The interior plastics on the early cars can feel flimsy but generally they seem to last relatively well. The cupholders can break of their own accord though, and the coloured finish on some plastics can rub off. When you go to look at one, wash the rear window, as often there will be a leak in the headlining or in the plastic just above the parcel shelf. A smell of petrol inside will often indicate burst jubilee clips on the fuel line, and be prepared for all manner of strange electrical maladies such as windows which refuse to open (or shut), random warning lights and other little niggles. If you buy one with a sunroof, it's a lovely feature during the summer, but if they aren't properly maintained, you may well find a nice little puddle on the driver's seat.
In terms of spec, try to get an Elegance or Avantgarde. Elegances all have air con, whereas the early Avantgardes didn't always, though they did have half leather. Elegances ride slightly better and don't have quite such a harsh ride, but it's not really that big a difference. The earliest cars have a push button release for the bootlid which can be a complete pain in winter if it freezes up, so try to get a car with a pull handle. Also, some cars may well have an armrest, which isn't too much of a problem provided the car is an auto and you tend not to bother with the handbrake, if not, it can be a real pain when it's down.
If you can, try to buy a facelift car, they really are far better and have a much nicer looking interior, wood trim on Elegances. As regards engines, the A140 is quite alright a lot of the time, but the A160 petrol or the A170 CDI are nippier and the A160 is no thirstier than the 140 in the real world. In terms of transmission, autos get a bad name, but from my experience aren't always a massive problem, avoid clutchless manuals like the plague, and manuals are generally trouble free.
I hope this helps, and there's a lot I've missed out, but I reckon it gives you a good idea as to what the cars are like, and if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Don't buy any A-class without a full history and try to find one which has evidence of only ever having had Mercedes parts fitted.
 
Just to add, if it does smell of petrol , the fuel line is an easy fix , two 12mm jubilee clips will fix it ( just done ours ten minutes ago while the ECU is off ) , worst case you need to order a new rubber pipe ( 6 inches and about a fiver ).

Power steering pumps ( electric ) can be noisy , but they hardly ever fail , if you can put up with the noise ( only at maneuovering speeds ) then don't worry.
 
Sorry, forgot to mention the above point about the jubilee clips, I got sidetracked when I was typing and forgot to put how to rectify some of the faults. Thanks Howard.
 

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