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A90 truck crash

It looks as though the trucker did very well to avoid that car with so little time to react .

Even without hitting the car , a sudden swerve to the right immediately followed by a correction to the left , then mounting the verge could have been enough to topple him .

Someone should have a quiet word with A1 recovery about those blue lights on his truck ......
 
I am not so sure about that junction. I have found it very confusing in the past. The key junction is the fork just before the accident- keep left to return to Aberdeen and you are on a slip road merging with traffic -----keep right and you are heading straight on the carriageway in the wrong direction!!!! I reckon its a psychological trick ---one minute you are on a 2 lane dual carriageway [ one way + 2 lanes] next you are on the flyover [ single lane / 2way traffic] then comes the Y junction--- if you are still in dual carriageway 2 lane mode then taking the right hand lane would not appear to wrong. This would be more likely to happen if you didn't meet any cars coming the other way on the short 2 way section. And below is the choice the car driver was presented with-- note the broken/missing sign on the left + the fact the car is in a deep cutting and so its orientation with respect to the main road is hidden - there are arrows on the lanes but no glaring NO ENTRY signs on the slip exit road I can see? I reckon is down to series of wrong visual cues and a lack of warning signs to compensate FRANKLY its a layout for an accident waiting to happen imho. :doh:
 
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moonloops said:
what utter sanctimonious tripe - who puts that kind of dirge together?
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grober said:
I am not so sure about that junction. I have found it very confusing in the past. The key junction is the fork just before the accident- keep left to return to Aberdeen and you are on a slip road merging with traffic -----keep right and you are heading straight on the carriageway in the wrong direction!!!! I reckon its a psychological trick ---one minute you are on a 2 lane dual carriageway [ one way + 2 lanes] next you are on the flyover [ single lane / 2way traffic] then comes the Y junction--- if you are still in dual carriageway 2 lane mode then taking the right hand lane would not appear to wrong. This would be more likely to happen if you didn't meet any cars coming the other way on the short 2 way section. And below is the choice the car driver was presented with-- note the broken/missing sign on the left + the fact the car is in a deep cutting and so its orientation with respect to the main road is hidden - there are arrows on the lanes but no glaring NO ENTRY signs on the slip exit road I can see? I reckon is down to series of wrong visual cues and a lack of warning signs to compensate FRANKLY its a layout for an accident waiting to happen imho. :doh:
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It does look dodgy and confusing on Google maps, but judging from the YouTube video above, it's not too bad, because there's a big black'n'white arrow showing the road is going left and also a small "keep left" sign right between the lanes, which also lights up at night afaik.
 
Blackman said:
It does look dodgy and confusing on Google maps, but judging from the YouTube video above, it's not too bad, because there's a big black'n'white arrow showing the road is going left and also a small "keep left" sign right between the lanes, which also lights up at night afaik.
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Sorry but I think you got that wrong. That video shot you see is taken from the perspective of the main dual carriageway the large arrows sign and bollard are on entrance to the slip road exit- the women was coming the other way- down the road all the traffic was being diverted along after the accident- the main dual carriageway is coned off - she would never have seen them
 
Graeme, I can see where you are coming from.

IIRC on your picture there are sign posts with no sign? Maybe that said keep left, when I last did that turn (in 2006 admittably) it seemed ok to me.
 
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Graeme, I can see where you are coming from.

IIRC on your picture there are sign posts with no sign? Maybe that said keep left, when I last did that turn (in 2006 admittably) it seemed ok to me.
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I hope that since that accident the Council or Scottish Office? would have erected prominent NO ENTRY signs on the slip road in question and repaired that missing sign you mentioned which I surmise would have indeed been large black and white arrows directing you to the left hand lane.
 
grober said:
I hope that since that accident the Council or Scottish Office? would have erected prominent NO ENTRY signs on the slip road in question and repaired that missing sign you mentioned which I surmise would have indeed been large black and white arrows directing you to the left hand lane.
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There should be, or bollards up in the central divider. IIRC there was signage there to let you know where there was, I am pretty sure of it, although its 4 and a half years since I joined the 90 from Stonehaven. Normally I enter it from the A94 road at Forfar (if going to Aberdeen I avoid Dundee and head by Cupar Angus, its far nicer). That being said, that junction too has an odd layout and there are definately no entry signs on it.
 
Picture of corsa after impact. you can see the skid marks on the road where she has gone from 45mph or so to zero and then backwards in the blink of an eye.

Now. Why is it that young drivers pay such high insurance again????

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What I think ALL slip roads shoul have are those spikes you get to stop people driving in the exit of car parks, you know the ones that you drive over fine the correct way but will shred your tyres the wrong way.
 
camerafodder said:
^^ I assume that's a joke Jim! :eek:
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What the slip roads? No, not at all. Think about it. It could easily be set up so that vehicles can go the wrong way IF needed in an emergency. It would mean in effect that if you drive onto a dual carriageway or motorway using the off ramp, you will get about 30 yds before your tyres are all flat.

I also think the same should be on major roundabouts to stop morons going the wrong way around them also.

Like this but obviously without the barrier:

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Or this is better:
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That would have prevented this accident!
 
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I agree entirely, which is why it will never be done. But in the case above which could so easily have been multiple fatal, it would have stopped her getting to the carriageway. Of course, that isn't strictly true because she could always have foudn away across a field or something. I am not saying that to be funny by the way, I have seen some incredible demonstrations of stupidity over the years. Most of which you couldn't make up if you tried.
 
I too have seen the extraordinary lengths people can go to in performing an act of monumental stupidity. :D

However to be fair I think this sort of thing can happen in genuinely confusing cirumstances (see my earlier post #14 about the Newby Bridge dual carriageway). Perhaps an autosensing light-up sign at slipway the entrance (or rather exit!) would be a good compromise. It could activate with enough time to allow the transgressor to modify their course before its to late. :dk:
 
These things can happen for various reasons .

I know of two instances which illustrate each end of the spectrum

1) An elderly driver became disorientated in fog and took a wrong turn on a roundabout at the top of a slip road ( there was a flyover with a small roundabout at each end ) instead of crossing the bridge then turning right on the second roundabout to join the dual carriageway below , the driver inadvertently turned right on the first roundabout and ended up going down the exit slip , meeting an HGV coming towards him - he and his wife died IIRC . The fog was apparently so dense you could hardly see over the bonnet ; one might reasonably expect speeds to be so low under such circumstances that little damage would be done , but there it is .

2) The other case I heard about was a maniac who deliberately drove along the M8 in the wrong direction , veering towards oncoming traffic , until he had a head on collision with a Police BMW patrol car which had been sent out to intercept him . The police driver was in hospital near death for a while but is now back at work . Nothing will stop someone who deliberately sets out to do this kind of thing .
 
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