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AMG GT 63 vs Brabus C63S

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As some people here might know, I sold my Brabus last year after being disappointed with its performance, gearbox tune and involvement.

I have now been in a new AMG GT 63 for awhile. This is everything I hoped from the Brabus. Sharp pick up even at 1500 rpm. Smart throttle response. Logical gearbox program – 4th, not 7th, in Sport at 30mph. Granular steering, great agility.

It weighs more than the Brabus, and is actually down on power. Amazing what you can do when you actually try making a sports car. W205 C63S Brabus nice and comfy, but a cruiser with no engagement. The new GT 63 really is the business. I know it’s more expensive, but prices will only go one way.
 
Congrats!

I don't think it's fair to compare a C class to a GT they are a world apart in every way

A picture would be nice.
 
As some people here might know, I sold my Brabus last year after being disappointed with its performance, gearbox tune and involvement.

I have now been in a new AMG GT 63 for awhile. This is everything I hoped from the Brabus. Sharp pick up even at 1500 rpm. Smart throttle response. Logical gearbox program – 4th, not 7th, in Sport at 30mph. Granular steering, great agility.

It weighs more than the Brabus, and is actually down on power. Amazing what you can do when you actually try making a sports car. W205 C63S Brabus nice and comfy, but a cruiser with no engagement. The new GT 63 really is the business. I know it’s more expensive, but prices will only go one way.
Congratulations on your new car! You’re the first person I know with the new GT 63 so I’ll be interested to hear how you get on. Did you own or drive the previous generation GT as I’d be interested to hear how they compare?

I know a few people who bought the new SL 63 when they first launched but none of them really rated it unfortunately. That said one was a former GT Roadster owner, and it was the first AMG for two of them and quite different to their usual cars.

Congratulations once more. Oh, and I almost forgot

:ttiuwp
 
I will be sure to take some pictures on a planned drive this weekend. Sadly, it’s not my car, giving it back next week. Would I buy one, for sure, but out of my budget at the moment especially after losing a packet on the Brabus!
 
Here are some pictures…
 

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Finishing the comparison with my Brabus C63S, which is closer on paper than in real life:

Both are AMG V8 TT powered Mercedes 2+2s
Brabus has 30 hp more and 60kg less and is RWD so theoretically dynamic advantage

Brabus price including inflation from 2021 to now: £148k

GT63 you can get for around £150k

The Brabus, which also had AMG CF1 and 2 pack, I think looks better and attracted more thumbs ups etc
Rode smoother

Dynamically the GT63 is in a different league. The steering is fantastic, and it’s a refined hooligan in true great AMG tradition. Huge fun, and happy to bumble around while reminding you it’s a monster

C63S the terrible steering, gearbox programming and throttle response made it feel utterly dull unless you were on an autobahn / high speed sweepers.

Still annoyed at Mercedes for making the steering so terrible in the C63, after the excellence string in my W204 C63 with the brilliant steering in the AMG GT 63.

Anyway - I would buy the GT 63 over a 911, DB12 or R8 V10. It’s that good. Hugely enjoyable. I have Ferraris in my garage for weekend fun, so I have high standards of fun. It’s also more refined and sophisticated than the last AMG GT. And even more fun, in my view.
 
Congratulations on your new car! You’re the first person I know with the new GT 63 so I’ll be interested to hear how you get on. Did you own or drive the previous generation GT as I’d be interested to hear how they compare?

I know a few people who bought the new SL 63 when they first launched but none of them really rated it unfortunately. That said one was a former GT Roadster owner, and it was the first AMG for two of them and quite different to their usual cars.

Congratulations once more. Oh, and I almost forgot

:ttiuwp
Reply to your question about the previous generation GT, and also the SLS, of which this is a kind of lesser descendant..

SLS had more of a sense of location to it, but more dynamically flawed and less fun to drive, quite light steering although pointy, different engine which has its own drama but somehow not quite the sum of its parts

Last GT: for me was a bit too rudimentary, found it exhausting on a long trip and not quite enough fun to back it up, although a great car in many ways

This GT 63: more oomph, better gearbox (shift) and programming, much better steering, and 4WD brilliantly programmed to feel like RWD. if you’re driving like a hooligan, which obviously I don’t, you can really kick the rear out, obviously the car saves you but it doesn’t have that numb neutrality like 4WD sports cars. But also a car that you can do a long trip in happily and every day.

It feels like Mercedes, preoccupied with electric and the future, just said to the AMG guys to go wild with this one as it will be the last of its kind, don’t bother the board, produce the car and then go away and concentrate on the electric stuff
 
Reply to your question about the previous generation GT, and also the SLS, of which this is a kind of lesser descendant..

SLS had more of a sense of location to it, but more dynamically flawed and less fun to drive, quite light steering although pointy, different engine which has its own drama but somehow not quite the sum of its parts

Last GT: for me was a bit too rudimentary, found it exhausting on a long trip and not quite enough fun to back it up, although a great car in many ways

This GT 63: more oomph, better gearbox (shift) and programming, much better steering, and 4WD brilliantly programmed to feel like RWD. if you’re driving like a hooligan, which obviously I don’t, you can really kick the rear out, obviously the car saves you but it doesn’t have that numb neutrality like 4WD sports cars. But also a car that you can do a long trip in happily and every day.

It feels like Mercedes, preoccupied with electric and the future, just said to the AMG guys to go wild with this one as it will be the last of its kind, don’t bother the board, produce the car and then go away and concentrate on the electric stuff
Thank you for sharing. I’ve not had the opportunity to drive one just yet, but I’m looking forward to.

Most of the GT owners I know - almost without exception - aren’t keen on the new model. They miss it having the transaxle, more extreme proportions, less compromising nature, and general feeling of driving something a bit special.

I agree, however I suspect it’s in a large part due to it being a new model, and most people prefer the outgoing model for a while, especially current owners of the old model! As the price gap reduces I suspect those owners will become more accepting.

The new model is almost certainly a better car for most people most of the time, it’s simply more usable, and so Mercedes are hoping to attract a few buyers from the other very usable super sports car manufacture from Stuttgart.

I’d love one, however I can’t help but think that it’s a shame Mercedes have lost a car which is a touch more exotic as a halo car for the brand. The new GT will prove to a great car but I suspect history will show it as being a little less special.

Much the same was said about the GT versus the SLS when the GT was launched, but as it was fundamentally the same car albeit with updates, new engine and revised styling it held on to just enough of the secret sauce.

Enjoy the rest of your time with the car.

Now where’s the number for Brooklands…
 
Thank you for sharing. I’ve not had the opportunity to drive one just yet, but I’m looking forward to.

Most of the GT owners I know - almost without exception - aren’t keen on the new model. They miss it having the transaxle, more extreme proportions, less compromising nature, and general feeling of driving something a bit special.

I agree, however I suspect it’s in a large part due to it being a new model, and most people prefer the outgoing model for a while, especially current owners of the old model! As the price gap reduces I suspect those owners will become more accepting.

The new model is almost certainly a better car for most people most of the time, it’s simply more usable, and so Mercedes are hoping to attract a few buyers from the other very usable super sports car manufacture from Stuttgart.

I’d love one, however I can’t help but think that it’s a shame Mercedes have lost a car which is a touch more exotic as a halo car for the brand. The new GT will prove to a great car but I suspect history will show it as being a little less special.

Much the same was said about the GT versus the SLS when the GT was launched, but as it was fundamentally the same car albeit with updates, new engine and revised styling it held on to just enough of the secret sauce.

Enjoy the rest of your time with the car.

Now where’s the number for Brooklands…
Interesting and of course one has to respect their perspectives. Gen 1 GT was a pretty unique car on the market.
When I read the reviews of the Gen 2 in the motoring media I was expecting something much duller and sanitised, like a 991.1 vs a 997, where you lost a lot of feel and fun and gained comfort.
That was not my experience at all with the Gen 2. For me, more usable, yes, but also more complete, a better car and also more fun. Also a totally different experience to the current SL.
But that's just my view. Interested to know yours when you get to drive them.
 
But that's just my view. Interested to know yours when you get to drive them.
Yesterday I was lucky enough to spend the whole day driving the last generation GT C Roadster and the new generation GT 63 Coupe back to back, spending around 10 hours in the seat of one or the other over the course of a 12 hour period.

The weather wasn’t ideal with very thick frosts and very heavy rainfall on the previous few days. Whilst the weather was warmer and drier the roads were mixed, between dry and flooded, with lots of mud, debris and greasy too for that extra challenge.

The new car

Looks are very subjective, so I won’t dwell on it too much but it would be remiss not mention the new car’s handsome good looks. In Obsidian Black with gold/bronze forged wheels, and an all black and carbon interior it is a handsome brute.

For a car like this ingress and egress is straightforward. The aperture is tall and wide - and the door not too long - making it easy enough for even taller and larger drivers to get in and out as easily as any other Mercedes.

Inside is very nice. Very well put together, with all contact points solid, tactile with a premium feel. The large screen is a pleasure to use with all controls quick and easy to locate, and switch gear has a firm and positive action.

I opted for comfort seats and perhaps time will confirm or deny my initial thoughts, however I found that the seat didn’t offer enough shoulder support, and I had mild but noticeable discomfort around my shoulder blades after an hour of driving.

Even set in its lowest setting, I can’t quite get low enough in the car, another 30 mm would be perfect. It doesn’t feel like I am sat on the car - far from it - and combined with the generous glass house the visibility is excellent for a car like this.

Perhaps also contributing to the feeling of sitting higher than I would like, the arm rest on the centre console is far too low my liking. Perfectly positioned arm rests are something which Mercedes designers usually nail every time.

I’ll come back to whether the AMG GT should have massaging seats (which were really rather good) and umpteen colour choices for the interior ambient lighting (immediately dimmed and set to a subtle amber colour, in other words perfect).

Rear seats - I’ll come back to whether an AMG GT should have them - I didn't even look at them, never mind try to sit in them, but they’d be ideal for those with children or grandchildren small enough to fit and old enough not to need a child seat.

Generally the inside of the car feels cosy, narrower inside than the last model, it has conventional proportions and you sit closer to the nose, which makes it as easy to place on the road and park as any car. Front and rear cameras make it effortless.

Performance is everything you expect of a super sports car with a turbocharged V8 engine packing a 585 PS and 800 Nm punch. It’s very quick and the 4matic system provides confidence to make progress in cold and wet roads.

Strangely it doesn’t feel as fast as the previous 585 PS GT, and lacks the horse-kick in the chest delivered by the mechanically similar M177 engine found in the nose of the new Aston Martin Vantage, which is capable of brutal acceleration.

Helpfully the car indicates red, amber and blue warnings for tyre temperature to confirm more objectively what your fingers and bottom are subjectively sensing, and it’s incredibly hard to maintain temperature in the tyres on the road.

The automatic 9 speed transmission is well judged, fast acting and always in the right gear, however I spent the vast majority of the time in manual mode. It’s super smooth even when pressing on, too smooth in fact, it reminded me of an electric train.

The steering is OK, it’s pretty good, but for my taste isn’t as good as it should be for a car at this level of performance. It feels too disconnected to the road surface, and doesn’t communicate as much as you would want it to when pressing on

The ride was firm, you wouldn’t expect anything less however in comfort mode it was compliant enough to be described as genuinely comfortable even on the scarred, pot-holed, mud and debris strewn B roads of The Cotswolds.

On that day in those conditions, the car felt most right with the engine set to sport, transmission set to manual, suspension set to comfort, and chassis systems set to basic/standard. Oh, I almost forgot, the exhaust set to on.

Even though the car rides higher than the previous generation GT, it comes with lift - not just nose lift - which combined with it’s more manageable footprint makes it so much more usable, especially going to places you’ve never been before.

Overall it feels like what it is, a replacement for the S-Class Coupe and GT Coupe, and the GT 63 Coupe is probably trying to be the love child of an S 63 and GT C Coupe specifically, and to that end Mercedes-AMG have succeeded.

They have somehow managed to create a car which is neither of it’s parents, blessed with it’s own personality, and just enough of it’s inherited qualities to be a charming, charismatic, intelligent - and dare I say it - potent. Very impressive.

Mercedes have taken the fight to their Stuttgart neighbour and have tried to out 911 the 992. The GT 63 Coupe feels more engaging than the 992 Turbo S, even if it’s down on power, but the 63 is a launch model so no doubt more is coming.

This is a car which will have a much much broader appeal than the GT that replaced it, however I believe selling them will be tough. Relatively few previous generation GT owners will buy them, and it lacks the cult following and loyalty of the 911.

Which is a shame because Mercedes-AMG have a created a car which is exceptionally competent, truly usable and which isn’t just “not-dull”, but is genuinely engaging and exciting to drive. That’s very hard to do, and should be applauded.

The old car(s)

The new GT 63is not a replacement for the previous GT. Everything which makes it so usable makes it feel less special. The comedy proportions of exceptionally long nose and exceptionally wide hips changes the way the car looks inside and out.

Looking out through a very wide and very low slot - more like a WW2 gun post than a windscreen - and down a very very long, low and flat bonnet is an defining feature of both the SLS and GT, but it is also what makes it a pain for manoeuvring.

Sitting so far back is what gives the SLS and GT an almost unique feeling for a modern car on the road, which you quickly adapt to, and feels wonderful when sewing together flowing apexes. The pivot point is some way in front of your coccyx.

The doors are long, the aperture is low, it’s not easy to get in and out of especially parked next to another car, and most people almost fall into a GT because the car is lower, and the seat goes as low as you like. The position is worth it though.

Having a dry dumped engine mounted lower and further back - and a transaxle - make the SLS and GT more exotic on paper, but also change the way that it feels in the road. Inherently better balanced, and sharper in every respect.

The drivetrain also feels more special too, the M159 requires no introduction, the M178 is a star too, and the Getrag box is smooth for what it is, but the speed and feel of the shifts when pressing on are perfectly judged and add to the experience.

This is especially true in downshifts, to feel and hear something more than an engine tone change on the GT 63 requires a great deal of speed, and a corresponding portion of hard braking, and then it will give the slightest sensation of a shift.

The SLS and GT are not uncomfortable however they are much firmer, and not as comfortable on the average British B road. It’s also much less able to deal with pot holes making driving it on very wet very narrow roads a seat-edge experience.

As a result of all of that and more, the SLS and GT are much more rewarding cars to own, drive and live with, however there’s definitely a place for a car which is softer and dialled back but still engaging, and the new GT 63 gauges that we’ll.

Conclusion

Would I buy one? Yes. Would it replace an SLS or GT? No. Would it come close? Not really. Is it a better car? For most people, most of the time, on most journeys, it’s a much better car. That said most cars are better everyday than the SLS and GT!
 
Yesterday I was lucky enough to spend the whole day driving the last generation GT C Roadster and the new generation GT 63 Coupe back to back, spending around 10 hours in the seat of one or the other over the course of a 12 hour period.

The weather wasn’t ideal with very thick frosts and very heavy rainfall on the previous few days. Whilst the weather was warmer and drier the roads were mixed, between dry and flooded, with lots of mud, debris and greasy too for that extra challenge.

The new car

Looks are very subjective, so I won’t dwell on it too much but it would be remiss not mention the new car’s handsome good looks. In Obsidian Black with gold/bronze forged wheels, and an all black and carbon interior it is a handsome brute.

For a car like this ingress and egress is straightforward. The aperture is tall and wide - and the door not too long - making it easy enough for even taller and larger drivers to get in and out as easily as any other Mercedes.

Inside is very nice. Very well put together, with all contact points solid, tactile with a premium feel. The large screen is a pleasure to use with all controls quick and easy to locate, and switch gear has a firm and positive action.

I opted for comfort seats and perhaps time will confirm or deny my initial thoughts, however I found that the seat didn’t offer enough shoulder support, and I had mild but noticeable discomfort around my shoulder blades after an hour of driving.

Even set in its lowest setting, I can’t quite get low enough in the car, another 30 mm would be perfect. It doesn’t feel like I am sat on the car - far from it - and combined with the generous glass house the visibility is excellent for a car like this.

Perhaps also contributing to the feeling of sitting higher than I would like, the arm rest on the centre console is far too low my liking. Perfectly positioned arm rests are something which Mercedes designers usually nail every time.

I’ll come back to whether the AMG GT should have massaging seats (which were really rather good) and umpteen colour choices for the interior ambient lighting (immediately dimmed and set to a subtle amber colour, in other words perfect).

Rear seats - I’ll come back to whether an AMG GT should have them - I didn't even look at them, never mind try to sit in them, but they’d be ideal for those with children or grandchildren small enough to fit and old enough not to need a child seat.

Generally the inside of the car feels cosy, narrower inside than the last model, it has conventional proportions and you sit closer to the nose, which makes it as easy to place on the road and park as any car. Front and rear cameras make it effortless.

Performance is everything you expect of a super sports car with a turbocharged V8 engine packing a 585 PS and 800 Nm punch. It’s very quick and the 4matic system provides confidence to make progress in cold and wet roads.

Strangely it doesn’t feel as fast as the previous 585 PS GT, and lacks the horse-kick in the chest delivered by the mechanically similar M177 engine found in the nose of the new Aston Martin Vantage, which is capable of brutal acceleration.

Helpfully the car indicates red, amber and blue warnings for tyre temperature to confirm more objectively what your fingers and bottom are subjectively sensing, and it’s incredibly hard to maintain temperature in the tyres on the road.

The automatic 9 speed transmission is well judged, fast acting and always in the right gear, however I spent the vast majority of the time in manual mode. It’s super smooth even when pressing on, too smooth in fact, it reminded me of an electric train.

The steering is OK, it’s pretty good, but for my taste isn’t as good as it should be for a car at this level of performance. It feels too disconnected to the road surface, and doesn’t communicate as much as you would want it to when pressing on

The ride was firm, you wouldn’t expect anything less however in comfort mode it was compliant enough to be described as genuinely comfortable even on the scarred, pot-holed, mud and debris strewn B roads of The Cotswolds.

On that day in those conditions, the car felt most right with the engine set to sport, transmission set to manual, suspension set to comfort, and chassis systems set to basic/standard. Oh, I almost forgot, the exhaust set to on.

Even though the car rides higher than the previous generation GT, it comes with lift - not just nose lift - which combined with it’s more manageable footprint makes it so much more usable, especially going to places you’ve never been before.

Overall it feels like what it is, a replacement for the S-Class Coupe and GT Coupe, and the GT 63 Coupe is probably trying to be the love child of an S 63 and GT C Coupe specifically, and to that end Mercedes-AMG have succeeded.

They have somehow managed to create a car which is neither of it’s parents, blessed with it’s own personality, and just enough of it’s inherited qualities to be a charming, charismatic, intelligent - and dare I say it - potent. Very impressive.

Mercedes have taken the fight to their Stuttgart neighbour and have tried to out 911 the 992. The GT 63 Coupe feels more engaging than the 992 Turbo S, even if it’s down on power, but the 63 is a launch model so no doubt more is coming.

This is a car which will have a much much broader appeal than the GT that replaced it, however I believe selling them will be tough. Relatively few previous generation GT owners will buy them, and it lacks the cult following and loyalty of the 911.

Which is a shame because Mercedes-AMG have a created a car which is exceptionally competent, truly usable and which isn’t just “not-dull”, but is genuinely engaging and exciting to drive. That’s very hard to do, and should be applauded.

The old car(s)

The new GT 63is not a replacement for the previous GT. Everything which makes it so usable makes it feel less special. The comedy proportions of exceptionally long nose and exceptionally wide hips changes the way the car looks inside and out.

Looking out through a very wide and very low slot - more like a WW2 gun post than a windscreen - and down a very very long, low and flat bonnet is an defining feature of both the SLS and GT, but it is also what makes it a pain for manoeuvring.

Sitting so far back is what gives the SLS and GT an almost unique feeling for a modern car on the road, which you quickly adapt to, and feels wonderful when sewing together flowing apexes. The pivot point is some way in front of your coccyx.

The doors are long, the aperture is low, it’s not easy to get in and out of especially parked next to another car, and most people almost fall into a GT because the car is lower, and the seat goes as low as you like. The position is worth it though.

Having a dry dumped engine mounted lower and further back - and a transaxle - make the SLS and GT more exotic on paper, but also change the way that it feels in the road. Inherently better balanced, and sharper in every respect.

The drivetrain also feels more special too, the M159 requires no introduction, the M178 is a star too, and the Getrag box is smooth for what it is, but the speed and feel of the shifts when pressing on are perfectly judged and add to the experience.

This is especially true in downshifts, to feel and hear something more than an engine tone change on the GT 63 requires a great deal of speed, and a corresponding portion of hard braking, and then it will give the slightest sensation of a shift.

The SLS and GT are not uncomfortable however they are much firmer, and not as comfortable on the average British B road. It’s also much less able to deal with pot holes making driving it on very wet very narrow roads a seat-edge experience.

As a result of all of that and more, the SLS and GT are much more rewarding cars to own, drive and live with, however there’s definitely a place for a car which is softer and dialled back but still engaging, and the new GT 63 gauges that we’ll.

Conclusion

Would I buy one? Yes. Would it replace an SLS or GT? No. Would it come close? Not really. Is it a better car? For most people, most of the time, on most journeys, it’s a much better car. That said most cars are better everyday than the SLS and GT!

Photos please of the amazing rides 🙂
 
I'll have to come round sometime and do some filming, excellent backdrop to film. Must be your church house 🎥 🙂 😏
 
I would love one too, at the right price of course, brilliant write up.
 
I would love one too, at the right price of course, brilliant write up.
Thank you! Before the used car market went mad AMGs used to halve in value (retail to retail) in around 2 years, so once the newness of this model has faded then maybe the same will be true of the GT 63 Coupe.
 

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