• The Forums are now open to new registrations, adverts are also being de-tuned.

Any R230 SL owners in the South West?

pentoman

Active Member
Joined
Nov 16, 2004
Messages
92
Hi all,

I'm trying to decide on an SL to buy, and am struggling. There are good and bad things about each car advertised and I really cannot make my mind up. 350 or 500, do I want lots of toys, can I live without a wood steering wheel (!) and even which wheels and colours do I even like?

I have decided it would help to see more cars. I've already seen most of those that are local to me. They haven't been in budget though, and I didn't like wasting their time looking at cars I knew I could not afford.

So I am turning to the forum instead! Perhaps there is a helpful member or two around that would be happy to spend a few minutes chewing the fat about their SL? Maybe a passenger ride even? I'm not sure what would be in it for you but I am sure there are many things! A chance to help someone out? :D

So I'm in the Cheltenham/Gloucester area. I understand if no-one is interested. I mean, who encourages a random person they've never met to rock up and see their expensive car?!

Russell
 
I am not sure that I had ever put Cheltenhan/Gloucester as being quite SW but......I am near Oxford and am prepared to do what I can.
I am biased in that I think proper cars have a V8 at the very least but the V6 is simpler and in the real world just as able.
Spec. is a matter of personal choice and you may have to compromise if buying used......on the other hand some stuff is best not to have because it is gimmicky or you would never use it and in either of those cases you are ''carrying'' something unnecessarily that is capable of going wrong.
I have an all leather steering wheel in my SL and a wooden one in the CL.....the wooden one looks the better but I prefer the all leather one as a driver.

Mic
 
Last edited:
Hey you, I have the facelifted sl350 from around mid '06. It has almost the same power as the pre facelift sl500 and is more refined than the pre facelift one. If your budget stretches to the facelift ones, then the sl350 is definitely the one to go for. Mine has the wood steering wheel, wood inlays, cd changer and panoramic roof (very nice). Let me know if I can help you with anything else.
 
It has to be a V8-Explaination not required. You simply need to drive both and the decision will be made:thumb:
 
Cheers for those replies.

So I've driven a 2005 V6 at a main dealer in Salisbury. It seemed to perform acceptably and if the right looking, right spec V6 came along I would have to consider it. I am just realising that I can't really afford to be all that picky, not when I am looking at 7-8 year old cars. Now I am not so fussed about the colour of the interior or even the engine, as long as condition, overall specificartion, and price match up in a way which feels right to me.

The V6 car I drove at the dealer was black exterior with 18" wheels, black interior, no noteable options and the aluminium interior trim. Something about this spec was a turn off to me. It was completely unimaginative and did not feel like the expensive car that it is. I would much prefer a car with some extras as they make it feel a bit more special. On that note, how good are these options:

Distronic
Cooled seats
Massage seats
Keyless Go
?

Going back to the cars which are available in my price range. My current car (the first car that I ever bought for myself), well I bought one of the cheapest and to be honest it has always shown throughout the past 6 years. I don't want to do that, this time around. However, at the same time I don't want to be a fool and to pay far over the odds, for no real benefit. So what are people's experiences of the different ends of the price range? How do you guys judge whether or not to car for a particular example? There are plenty of SLs for £12-13k which don't really stand out and look like any other 8 year old car in terms of their condition. Whereas the really nice, showroom-fresh cars which look like they have been garaged and pampered all of their lives are unfortunately priced significantly (e.g. £3k) higher than the 'everyday' cars. So what really are the differences between the pampered cars and the everyday ones? Is it possible that the really nice looking cars have just been given a lot of 'prep' work to look that nice and are really no different underneath to a cheap car if it had £500 spent on repairs and detailing?

As for the V8... like i say I'll keep an open mind. A V8 car will have to be in a very good condition for me to buy it - so that I can satisfy myself the ABC won't cripple me - at least not straight away!

:) Russ
 
As per my previous post, the post facelift car has almost the same power as the pre facelift car and you wouldn't notice anything. And yes the ABC is very expensive if it goes wrong so that's one less thing to worry about if you get the v6. As per your budget, I don't think you are going to get a very nice example for that price (I may be wrong though)...

Regarding those options you mentioned, they are all very nice and would add to the price of anycar they are fitted...

Edit - Just checked auto trader, can't believe the price they are going for... wow. There are plenty cheap ones out there...
 
Last edited:
I would say at least 50% of those that seem 'box fresh' will have been prepped for sale very well.

When I'm buying my own car from a private seller, I like to get a feel for the car by just having a chit-chat about life in general with the owner, which generally relaxes them into giving you as much information as you need.

Don't always pass a car over because of bad photos either, some people just haven't got a clue how to advertise a car and it can work in your favour if you have the ability to see past this.
 
Condition, provenance, demonstrable service history are everything from wherever you might buy a used MB of the age you are considering.
The ABC is potentially expensive to repair but you should not be buying an SL if you cannot afford to maintain one although the absence of any item eliminates that particular area of expense.
I chose not to have distronic because I do not think I would use it but everyone who I know who has got it thinks it is brilliant.
I love my all singing all dancing seats with the massage function, heating or cooling, adjustable lumber and side cushion supports.
I have never understood the concept of keyless go.....pointless and a genuine area of potential fault in my judgement.
A cheap SL is cheap for a reason although as Blazer has observed the passing price of SLs (actually all used cars with a big petrol engine) is amazingly low.
I think once you have targeted a particular car that you believe ''ticks all your boxes'' and you have identified the Indie who is going to look after the car for you your best bet is to get him to check over the car before making the final commitment to purchase.
Good luck.

Mic
 
Of the options you mention, the seats are not actually cooled. They have perforated leather and air intakes on the seat backs blow air via fans through the perforations. Although the fans have three speeds, I find even on the fastest setting they do very little. My other observation when I was looking for an SL was that I hated the aluminium trim for the simple reason is its is plastic. So many cars today have this fashional silver panelling and in my mind they all look really plastic fantastic cheap. On a car of this cost, would it really hurt to use some sort of clear coated real metal?? Now that would make it special. I personally have burred walnut. The lighter chestnut wood looks orange to me. Not sure if birds eye maple was available on the R230, but that is nice as is piano black. Keep us updated on your journey :thumb:
 
Hi Russ
If you do find a volunteer to spend some time with their SL with you, please do let me know as I would like to come along (assuming it is OK with you and the volunteer). I am based in North West London, but can travel. Weekends are best for me
I too am looking for an SL and have seen some very nice and ones and some not so. But what would be most useful to me is if someone could show me how the different options on an SL work, so that when I next view an SL I know what buttons to press and what should happen when the button is pressed
When I do find an SL I like I will certainly get a pre-purchase inspection carried out. Mercedes Benz charge around £350+VAT. I’m not sure how much an Indie charges, but will be looking around
My heart is set on the V8... Idrium silver, black wood ash, dark grey leather, pano-roof, wind deflector and keyless start-go. The plastic distronics radar on front grill to me, makes the SL look “cheap”, but I will re-think this after the comments made above
I trust you have seen the buyer’s guide on the Mercedes Enthusiast magazine (October 2011 edition)? If not let me know and I can scan the pages for you
Cheers
Sham
 
Hey all.

Firstly Sham - yes I will bear you in mind. I would love to see the buyer's guide as well. Your preferred spec sounds about perfect! ;)

Blaser - I would consider a late 272bhp V6 as a V8 alternative, but one thing puts me off. These cars are all March 2006 onwards and so are in the higher tax band. £460 vs £260. Not major, but combined with the fact they are also at the extreme top end of budget, I don't think it will quite work out.

Reflex boy - thanks for the info, for example on the cooling seats. Part of me just wants some of these options because they are toys, I would use them and they are just nice to have available. Yet i wouldn't miss them as such, I am sure. Is that foolish of me or is it right to go with this instinct to have some options?
I also agree about the silver trim being unattractive. Didn't even know it was plastic. I have looked into the price of wood trim as I imagine it would be easy to replace, and unfortunately there's only a small selection on eBay at £300+ just for the centre console piece of wood - not including the door wood!! Perhaps the specialist breakers would be cheaper.
I'd also consider a car with 17" wheels and maybe upgrade to the 18" 5 spoke wheels later since I'm just happier with the look of these wheels- but can't find any 18s for sale.

I'll keep you all updated.
 
Edited dupe post
 
Last edited:
I'm going to keep posting updates to this thread as it's the kind of thing that should hopefully be interesting to any other prospective purchasers. This is the second car I've ever bought in this way and its an acquired skill.

So, yesterday I went to see this car:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...0/page/2/advert-type/dealer-stock?logcode=dsp

The car is a December 2002 Sl500 in tanzanite blue with about 65000 miles.
It has been for sale there for a couple of months and I didn't previously look at it since the colour and rear exhausts put me off. However I went to check it out anyway to get a feel for more cars.

The first thing I found was that the car was in pretty good shape, to the eye. No rust at all on the underside of the rear arches - not too common on these early cars. Little things showed the mileage up, like wear on the driver seat bolster, the gearknob, and slightly 'hazed' headlamp covers (question: is there a solution or a replacement available for hazy headlamps?). But I could live with these no problem.

Those quad exhausts on the back - I thought they were a modification but salesman said they are factory fit AMG exhaust tips which seems accurate. Looking underneath, however, the pipes actually come out of each back box as a pair. This makes me think the back boxes must be different to the standard items as well. Can anyone confirm these factory fit AMG back boxes and quad tips were available for the 500? No big deal I'm just curious. Unfortunately it was no louder than standard.

On to how it drove and, more importantly, the question marks on it.

This was the first 500 I've driven and I hoped to experience great power. Which I somewhat did, but it was delivered a bit too softly for my preference. A bit too quiet and smooth, with no drama and just a brief burst of forward movement, which was a shame. I was also surprised that it only really pushed you in the back when let the engine rev a bit. When cruising at low speed, it didn't leap forward on a surge of torque the millisecond you brushed the throttle, and felt a tiny bit lazy. Perhaps using the sport mode on the gearbox would have helped this, can anyone comment? Otherwise, a diesel car seems a better bet in this respect. I also have one more driving issue to ask you about that I didn't like. When cruising in a straight line I experienced this horrible feeling of the back end moving left and right. I have experienced it too on another early SL500 I passengered in. It feels like the body is not properly attwched to the wheels! What is this all about? Is it normal? I hated it. It's subtle, but distinctive and unlike any other car. Nevertheless the overall experience was still good. I won't say the good bits as you already know what they are, but there were plenty and I'm focussing on the negatives.

The problems:
The salesman thought keyless go didn't work, but it did. However I got the impression it's unreliable. Is this true?
Heater didn't heat.
The history has a bill from a Cardiff based specialist in 2009 for drying out the boot, drying out the vacuum pipes and fitting a new central locking pump. This is obviously the classic leaky boot R230 problem, but I'm concerned that the invoice also said 'dry out front carpets'. I wonder, Why were they wet? Are there electronics in the front carpet area that could be at risk?
There was another bill from 2010 for 'diagnose ABC warning message. Found leaky suspension strut.' The invoice said they flushed the fluid. That's all. So, do you think that is really fixed? I am sceptical and the strut has to be an area of concern.
I couldn't get it out of P on the gearbox. The salesman could, and it seemed to have a knack to it. The car recently had a new EIS switch but I'm not sure if that's relevant.

They offered to fix these major problems before sale. Service, MOT, and all that. Everything else worked surprisingly well for the age and the car felt fresh enough. Salesman was really good apart from only giving me the the briefest of brief test drives (my being under 30 doesn't help here) and I don't want anyone reading this to be put off the place as they were probably the friendliest and most relaxing showroom I've ever been to.

However the car, being an expensive model, with those problems on it, and a far-from-ideal colour, I could never buy it. I suppose all the 'problems' could happen to any car, and some other garages would have fixed them before advertising the car, so perhaps I'm being unfair.

It's not a great sign though. This experience, and the fact it didn't drive as explosively as I would like, may even make me reconsider the choice of an SL500. Shame, as I don't fancy anything else in the Mercedes stable. I'll see another couple of cars before I make up my mind, though.
 
Last edited:
The SL 500 is not a sports car......it is a heavy grand tourer......the 55 is a lot more sprightly but still not a track day car.
I removed my middle silencers c/w the cats which, in my opinion, gives the car a much better sound although reading some Posts on here that may lead to an issue when we get the new more stringent MOT tests.....I will deal with that if and when. I cannot comment on the twin tail pipes.
The ''sport'' mode is a stiffening of the ABC suspension and does not change gear ratios and so will not make the car accelerate any more quickly. To make the car ''sing'' you need to use the Tiptronic to full effect.
My car has done 71k miles and does not show the wear you describe but then I have had my car from new, so I look after it, and when not in use it is in its garage.
The back end should not be giving the impression of moving left and right when driving in a straight line.....sure you were not in ''tram lines''?
My own view about keyless go remains as stated in my earlier Post.....an unnecessary gizmo and a fault waiting to happen. Similarly, you do not want the tyre pressure monitoring system.
I think, like you, I would be walking away from this car but so far as water ingress is concerned if the cause and effect have been dealt with properly and permanently that may be better than an unknown quantity although prevention is simple and cheap. It is also essential to maintain the storm water drains clear of blockages from leaf and other forms of debris.....just make sure that they are clear every time you wash the car.
Struts should be showing no sign of weeping.
The foot brake has to be firmly pressed to get the car out of Park.

Sounds as if you really want a 55......different animal.

Mic
 
I tried out a 55AMG this afternoon, it's quick no doubt, the salesman however said this '02 model with 25k as against my 500 with 55k 03 model was some £11k more

I walked away, I bought the car from them 18 months ago for about £16k with a trade in

Lovely cars none the less, love the AMG it is soooo fast, like my old TVR!
 
As Mic says its not a sports car but it does shift when you floor it.

I love the keyless go and wouldn't be without it..saves me faffing about with keys ...

Lots of nice touches in a fully spec'd one. I bought mine off a well known member on the other forum .. 2002 had 56k miles on the clock .. Now on 65k. Have had 2 problems with it since I got t last May ... Same as Mic with the secondary cats .. Just cut those out for £100 at an exhaust garage and replaced with steel pipe work. Next to go was the floor shift n the gear... Couldn't get it out of Park .. Cost me £850 to replace.....

Dash is a bit dated now I admit .. mic and a few others have updated their Comand systems though and it looks a lot better.

As Mic says you need to be prepared to spend money n such a car.. In my case its 10 years old and I expect things to break ..but I am prepared for it... And even when you think the tyres can set you back a cpl of hundred quid you realise it's not a cheap car to run ... Fuel wise I think , for a big V8 its actually pretty good ...

I absolutely love driving it and when the sun is out and the top is down its just stunning....
 
Hi my friend,well I have an SL350 2003 model,it has the cd changer,it has the panoramic roof,leather steering wheel,rear parking sensors,don't know why it did not get them on the front but never mind,58K and goes like stink.Just had quad pipes put on and a new AMG grill,been out today with the top down,lovely.Pure choice buy the one you like the look of.
 
So Pentoman, what happened in your quest to buy an SL, you have a captive audience.

P
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top Bottom