are apples any good, or just for nerds and posers?

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Dryce said:
'Windows is better security wise than OS X'

ROFLMAO

Now I've got up off the floor and trying to soothe my aching sides ...

In the words of the great John McEnroe ..... you cannnnnNOT be Serious.
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Lets start:

Apple is 10 years behind Microsoft on security, expert says | BGR

Also as any developer will tell you there is no software without bugs or vulnerabilities, add to that the imbecile advice that OS X is impregnable and you should not worry about viruses you have a recipe for disaster.:thumb:

Also since MS issues immediate Critical Patches for Zero Day Exploits that are discovered whereas Apple waits months if ever, yeah I am actually dead serious.
 
I've had an ipod touch for a number of years (I'm on my second). It is a brilliant bit of kit. The standard speakers are fairly poor, and the battery life is nowhere near the claims. That said, its usability is excellent and its is far and away better than the alternatives.

It influenced me to but an iphone a while ago, which is also good, but not brilliant, again battery life, both usage and durability.

Ipad I just don't get, my lifestyle is happy with a netbook, the typing is so much easier.
 
Nik_Endeavour said:
Lets start:

Apple is 10 years behind Microsoft on security, expert says | BGR

Also as any developer will tell you there is no software without bugs or vulnerabilities, add to that the imbecile advice that OS X is impregnable and you should not worry about viruses you have a recipe for disaster.:thumb:

Also since MS issues immediate Critical Patches for Zero Day Exploits that are discovered whereas Apple waits months if ever, yeah I am actually dead serious.
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Very true.

Apple drops virus immunity claim for Macs - Telegraph
 
Sp!ke said:
The Hardware cost is nothing compared to the cost of having an expensive consultant dead in the water for two weeks while he's waiting for Apple to send him back his repaired Macbook.
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Sorry, I don't follow. For the record, my laptop was fixed in 2 days.

Sp!ke said:
Apple products are well made consumer devices but they are *not* designed for or aimed at the enterprise or designed for professional use.
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So an audio or video studio is not professional then? They all are mostly Apple. Define professional.
 
I'm still looking for the holy grail. When working I currently carry

Iphone - it's a phone. But the music and the ability to plug it in to a car is a nice to have.
Ipad - for eReading on the train, banking, account apps etc. Can send a client an invoice from the device.
Windows 7 Tablet. - This one annoys me. Has specialist plan drawing software that link via Bluetooth to a Laser measure. It's a ballache, crashes a lot and does not always auto shutdown = no power. Looking at Windows 8 with interest.
Laptop - don't always carry. Am this week so I can edit plans while overnight at hotels.

Briefcase = heavy.

One device would be very nice!
 
Alx said:
Sorry, I don't follow. For the record, my laptop was fixed in 2 days.

So an audio or video studio is not professional then? They all are mostly Apple. Define professional.
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We've had remote workers down for upwards of two weeks.

Professional? Well pushed for time here but let me start with a few physical ones.

OK, in our workplace, every workstation has to pass certain criteria in order to satisfy the H&S bods. Part of that checklist is that all laptops should have a docking station so the user can work correctly postured etc and not have a tangled mass of cables to plug and unplug each day. This is typical in most large companies. Macs dont do docks.

Security - where's my Kensington lock slot on a mac? Oh it doesnt meet common security policies.

Robustness. Take thinkpads.. boring looking slabs of metal but built for tough working environments and designed with 3+ years of 8+hours a day use and lugging in and out of planes and taxi's. Draingage channels in the keyboard for spills, titanium hinges, unsurpassed breakage/drop tests - I've even seen someone perform a presentation whilst standing on his thinkpad with no damage. (actually before he did the presentation he also deliberately poured a glass of water into his keyboard).

Dont get me wrong, Macs are beautiful bits of kit from a design perspective but its not art were seeking here its technology and in this arena they are rapidly falling behind the curve.
 
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They aren't for nerds. Any nerd could see through Apple's marketing.
 
Sp!ke said:
We've had remote workers down for upwards of two weeks.

Professional? Well pushed for time here but let me start with a few physical ones.

OK, in our workplace, every workstation has to pass certain criteria in order to satisfy the H&S bods. Part of that checklist is that all laptops should have a docking station so the user can work correctly postured etc and not have a tangled mass of cables to plug and unplug each day. This is typical in most large companies. Macs dont do docks.

Security - where's my Kensington lock slot on a mac? Oh it doesnt meet common security policies.

Robustness. Take thinkpads.. boring looking slabs of metal but built for tough working environments and designed with 3+ years of 8+hours a day use and lugging in and out of planes and taxi's. Draingage channels in the keyboard for spills, titanium hinges, unsurpassed breakage/drop tests - I've even seen someone perform a presentation whilst standing on his thinkpad with no damage. (actually before he did the presentation he also deliberately poured a glass of water into his keyboard).

Dont get me wrong, Macs are beautiful bits of kit from a design perspective but its not art were seeking here its technology and they are rapidly falling behind the curve.
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For me "professional" is what earns money. Many modern businesses are much more streamlined and up-to-date, unlike large corporations where decision making is complicated and changes never take place. Use of docking stations, locks, etc is secondary - I've never used either and was never required to.

Anyway, I'm not trying to change yours or anybody else's mindset re Apple. Me, give me unix all day long and OS X is a darn good example of one. If not for the ERP software I would never see Windows again.
 
davidjpowell said:
Link? Daughter is pestering me for an Ipad. I've been looking at used one's as I'm not paying new price for her, but this might be a decent idea instead.
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this is what i got:

7" ANDROID TABLET PC ANDROID 4.0.4 | 4GB | 1.2GHz | 512MB DDR3 RAM | 1080P | UK | eBay

he hasnt listed anymore at the moment but there are plenty of others. i opted for a UK seller to ensure i'm not waiting months for it to arrive from Hong Kong, and for the price of roughly £5 to £10 extra its worth it IMHO!
 
Can someone answer me a very daft question?

Besides Apple and Microsoft, are there any other choices?
 
Yes. Specifically what market are you looking at?

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V12 said:
Yes. Specifically what market are you looking at?
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It was just a general question, I'm a bit behind the times with all this computer geekery.

I've got an Apple laptop (MacBook something or other), an iPod and an iPhone 4 and I got these because they were 'better' than the other stuff I had.

I don't know about all of this iOS X etc I just know that it all does what I want it to.
 
SPX said:
I don't know about all of this iOS X etc I just know that it all does what I want it to.
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Then Lee I would suggest that you have made the correct choices for you.:thumb:
 
Sp!ke said:
Apple products are well made consumer devices but they are *not* designed for or aimed at the enterprise or designed for professional use.
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This.

They may be fine for the personal market or the end user, but Apple are a constant source of headaches and frustration when we're supporting them at an enterprise level. For example:

Lack of support beyond the previous OS version, which means machines are unsupported after just 2 years unless you shell out lots of money to upgrade. Then you have to spend a month chasing your tail and kicking down doors to get the previous OS version to then update to the latest version, because you can no longer order it online from Apple.

The fact that if there's a problem with the account, they don't tell us, they just don't send anything. They'll still accept orders, but nothing gets shipped. The first we know about it is when someone phones up to chase up an order that hasn't arrived.
Given how much we spend with them as a whole, this is frankly rude and arrogant, a complete "we couldn't care less" customer experience.

All in all, they and their products are a complete pain in the **** to have to work with. So far while I've been here I've managed to keep them at a reasonable distance, but tomorrow I've got an interview for a position that's going to put me right back into the frying pan...I must be mad :wallbash:
 
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Like I said, as an end user or private individual it's fine - personally I find them to be a mixed bag. For example, I like the connectivity my iPod offers, but I don't run an iPhone because they're too expensive, too fragile and too limiting. I find the laptops are very pleasant for personal use (although I run a Toshiba because I can get the same experience for half the price via employee discounts), but the desktops are overpriced and underperforming and again, limited by the "Our way or not at all" attitude of Apple.

But having to deal with them professionally over the last couple of years, frankly they and their products can burn in hell. :devil:
 
I'm not an IT professional but use a windows computer at work. It's ok.

It's nice to go home and use an apple one. Makes me feel less at work. Suits what I need it to do. Send emails, edit pictures and surf the web.

I am not a computery person. The apple is easier to use. Sp!kes analogy of his son and mother are perfect. Outwith the IT contractor/IT professional server whiz kid demographic apple products suit the masses of people who quite like technology without having to get their hands dirty.
 
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