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scottishpedro

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Hi all

I owned a brilliant blue w205 C63 saloon for 2 years before reading in for a 2017 RS5 earlier this year.

The RS5 is so capable, loads of power from a stand still and traction is just ridiculous given the power it puts down. The noise was so underwhelming, and although things were much improved after a resonator delete and valves always open mod, it’s not quite an AMG.

To cut a long short, I’ve crumbled - the rs5 lasted 6 months and I’ve put down a deposit on a 66 plate c63 coupe premium. it has the performance exhaust, pan roof and a few other bits and bobs. Downside is it’s from a non Merc delaship so no Merc warranty, the upside of this is no warranty to screw up!

So I’m looking at getting the car remapped. Pretty unnecessary for road use but let’s be honest it’s hard not to want 580 bhp!

I just wondered how others have got on with their remaps? I’ve heard the engine and gearbox should cope fine, any other things or issues to look out for? Car will be running approx 580bhp and 660lb ft of torque

I’m planning on getting some Michelin ps4 or super sport tyres all round to help put the power down

Thanks in advance

Peter
 
Good move back to a 63:thumb:
The M177 can handle that kind of power increase easily. E63's with the same engine are running over 600bhp from stock.
 
I’m planning on getting some Michelin ps4 or super sport tyres all round to help put the power down
If available in the correct sizes for your car, then Pilot Sport 4 S is the one to go for over the Pilot Sport 4 or Pilot Super Sport.

If you want to extract maximum performance in cold/wet weather (Autumn to Spring) then consider a set of winter tyres.

Pilot Sport 4 S are excellent but they’re still limited over winter. Pilot Super Sports are already outside their operating temperature window.
 
If available in the correct sizes for your car, then Pilot Sport 4 S is the one to go for over the Pilot Sport 4 or Pilot Super Sport.

If you want to extract maximum performance in cold/wet weather (Autumn to Spring) then consider a set of winter tyres.

Pilot Sport 4 S are excellent but they’re still limited over winter. Pilot Super Sports are already outside their operating temperature window.
Ok sounds good, my car has the 19/20 inch front/rear wheels. I’ll see what’s available

Re winter tyres, I decided to hold onto the ones I had for the last C63 just incase I got another c63 😂

I was totally shocked at how good the car was with the winter tyres on. We had a massive snowfall where I live a couple of winters ago, a foot of snow and -18 degrees and I had no problems
 
Ok sounds good, my car has the 19/20 inch front/rear wheels. I’ll see what’s available

Re winter tyres, I decided to hold onto the ones I had for the last C63 just incase I got another c63 😂

I was totally shocked at how good the car was with the winter tyres on. We had a massive snowfall where I live a couple of winters ago, a foot of snow and -18 degrees and I had no problems
That’s good to hear, one expense already avoided! They’re pure witchcraft. Worth fitting around about now, depending upon which tyres you have in summer.

I switch Pilot Sport Cup 2 in September, Pilot Super Sport in October and Pilot Sport 4 S might be OK until November, but will already be compromised compared to winters.

Enjoy your new car 👍🏻
 
Great car. Once you move away from an AMG you realise what you are missing. If you’re Glasgow based or surrounding, my specialist knows these inside out which will save you a fortune. He’s got all the diagnostics and dsb links to the factory etc
 
The quattro traction is impressive, but frankly I prefer a ride that likes to wiggle her hips ;)
This is so true. The implications of a performance car that wiggles its hips are so significant, also. i just find it a bit depressing when you hit the throttle while at any kind of angle, and there's a metaphorical ! Triangle sign and the front wheels pull you through. Even at low speeds in boring settings like pulling out into a roundabout. It says, this car will take care of itself. That's why I sold my two 911 Turbos.

RWD traction has also improved so dramatically, even faster than hp has increased. Back in the day my 1995 SL500 (with ASR) scrambled for traction all the time. With double the hp, my Brabus C63S just powers through on the same roads..and sometimes wiggles hips, always fun.
 
The quattro traction is impressive, but frankly I prefer a ride that likes to wiggle her hips ;)
Having had 3 Audi's before, I know what you mean about traction. But I have to admit that when hips start wiggling at 60mph whilst overtaking on a wet road (as happened to me yesterday) its somewhat less fun!
 
I have had an S3, mapped S4 and now the RS5 over the years, and I genuinely think I’ve never seen the traction control light, the grip is that good. But as per the general con census here, it’s also why I going back to the C63 - it’s way more theatrical and exciting!
 
Hi all

I owned a brilliant blue w205 C63 saloon for 2 years before reading in for a 2017 RS5 earlier this year.

The RS5 is so capable, loads of power from a stand still and traction is just ridiculous given the power it puts down. The noise was so underwhelming, and although things were much improved after a resonator delete and valves always open mod, it’s not quite an AMG.

To cut a long short, I’ve crumbled - the rs5 lasted 6 months and I’ve put down a deposit on a 66 plate c63 coupe premium. it has the performance exhaust, pan roof and a few other bits and bobs. Downside is it’s from a non Merc delaship so no Merc warranty, the upside of this is no warranty to screw up!

So I’m looking at getting the car remapped. Pretty unnecessary for road use but let’s be honest it’s hard not to want 580 bhp!

I just wondered how others have got on with their remaps? I’ve heard the engine and gearbox should cope fine, any other things or issues to look out for? Car will be running approx 580bhp and 660lb ft of torque

I’m planning on getting some Michelin ps4 or super sport tyres all round to help put the power down

Thanks in advance

Peter
Had an RS5 on loan while my SL was having work done earlier in the year, just didn't like it, which really surprised me, we were racing down at Oulton Park while I had it, so I gave it a good run out down to there on all sorts of roads and just didn't gel with it.
 
Hi all

I owned a brilliant blue w205 C63 saloon for 2 years before reading in for a 2017 RS5 earlier this year.

The RS5 is so capable, loads of power from a stand still and traction is just ridiculous given the power it puts down. The noise was so underwhelming, and although things were much improved after a resonator delete and valves always open mod, it’s not quite an AMG.

To cut a long short, I’ve crumbled - the rs5 lasted 6 months and I’ve put down a deposit on a 66 plate c63 coupe premium. it has the performance exhaust, pan roof and a few other bits and bobs. Downside is it’s from a non Merc delaship so no Merc warranty, the upside of this is no warranty to screw up!

So I’m looking at getting the car remapped. Pretty unnecessary for road use but let’s be honest it’s hard not to want 580 bhp!

I just wondered how others have got on with their remaps? I’ve heard the engine and gearbox should cope fine, any other things or issues to look out for? Car will be running approx 580bhp and 660lb ft of torque

I’m planning on getting some Michelin ps4 or super sport tyres all round to help put the power down

Thanks in advance

Peter
I want to map mine too and done research till I was bored of the subject (still haven’t mapped mine), the M177 in the C63 are safe to 650bhp.
But also depends on the map I would stick with GAD tuning or MSL (GAd tuning just edging it for me)

The E63 M177 have lower compression ratio and can handle more boost so don’t let that engine be a guide on “safe” power
 
I've also read somewhere that the M177 has forged internals.
Im sure someone can confirm this or not
 
I've also read somewhere that the M177 has forged internals.
Im sure someone can confirm this or not
They do but their limit is 650-700 bhp

The internals in the e63 are different they have a lower compression ratio so can run more boost safely
 
650 bhp is plenty id only consider stage 1 tbh 580 ish is more than enough for what i do ,id like to max it after just for curiosity 😃
 
650 bhp is plenty id only consider stage 1 tbh 580 ish is more than enough for what i do ,id like to max it after just for curiosity 😃
I’m the same I think 580 is plenty I have been in a 640 bhp C63 and after 80ish mph it’s mad how hard it still pulls
 
Its a different type of speed as my w204 PPP was 503bhp standard but the w205 feels quicker 🙂
 

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