bloody judge's

[mark.t]

a letter from john Reid home secretary.....has lead a judge to give a man convicted of downloading child pornography a suspended sentence ...and the man walked from court ....free to roam round again and do as he pleases ....what must he be thinking as he walks round ...what message dose this send to others ......... now either this judge has it in for the home secretary or he is completely mad ...taking the letter from the home secretary in completely the wrong direction it was intended for. or am i wrong

 

[Benzowner]

I think it is a political statement by probably a Tory judge against the current government. It is very sad state of affairs. However, and I am in no way defending the criminal, looking at child porn pictures does not necessarilly make the guy a child molester in the same way that you or I could download adult porn, which would make us rapists. This guy may have been known to the police as possibly not being a danger to children.

 

[Flasheart]

Don't blame the judge - blame the politicians - who i am sure some of you voted into power. Although amazing how many people deny ever voting them in these days.....

 

[glojo]

I think it is a political statement by probably a Tory judge against the current government. It is very sad state of affairs.

What a strange thing to say? Doctor Reid has aknowledged the report and stands by it. Why are you trying to put the blame on 'probably' a Tory judge?

If someone has pornographic pictures of young children on their computer then that person is SICK

I can hear some of members saying "What if?" I don't care, I don't care about any 'What if's' That person is sick and the safety of our children should come way, way before the concerns of folks like this. No we cannot lock these people up for life, BUT we MUST do better in curing them of an evil behaviour.

John

 

[Ultymate]

Flasheart this same judge also put another paedophile back on the streets last summer here in N. Wales I know this for a fact as my wife was a juror and she was disgusted to find the judge had put him back on the streets when the guy came up fo sentencing. So the judge has previous form for putting perverts back in society so it appears the latest episode is not just a knee-jerk reaction to the home secretary's statement. My wife tells me that some of the photographs involved in the case she sat on were horrific in fact some were so bad they were just described to the jury rather than forcing them to be viewed

P.S. My final take on this is if you're looking at child porn you're thinking about it being turned on by it and one step away from doing it and at least should lose your freedom

 

[Flash]

Whilst we are talking about Judges I read this week that a "top" Judge in his late 40s or early 50s is to stand trial for exposing/flashing himself to a young woman on a train...

Back to this thread... looking at child pornography is SICK but Geoff2 has made a valid point in his thread about looking at adult porn material some of which is violent/disturbing and degrading to women but not illegal under current legislations. Why is “bestiality” not illegal as that to is disgusting and cruel/abuse to the animals as well…???

 

[Uncle Buck]

Much as the the whole Child Porn thing is sick and disgusting I dont think that by looking at it your automatically going to abuse children.

your either going to or your not. simple.

 

[Rose Chap]

Whenever I hear stories like this on the news I always wonder whether these individuals have actually downloaded images child porn, or whether their 'downloaded images' have been found in the internet cache.

 

[Flash]

Whenever I hear stories like this on the news I always wonder whether these individuals have actually downloaded images child porn, or whether their 'downloaded images' have been found in the internet cache.

They normally catch them by carrying out sting operations from obtaining the credit card details of the sick people that visit these sick sites and work from there. In past, it has been on news when ring leaders of the sites are ceased /raided and whoever has registered with the site gets nailed i.e. credit card transaction details etc.

To get a successful conviction they have to had downloaded the sickening images on to their HDD where if they just view them then I think there is a loophole somewhere…

It’s a sick world we live in…

I know someone who knows someone who works for the Police and the amount of registered sex offenders (paedophiles) living in my area is quiet alarming!!!

There are some that live about a 10 min walk from my place that many people do not know about in the neighbourhood.

 

[glojo]

Judge Cottell was quite clear in his statement when he said a paedophile WOULD have been jailed had it NOT been for the letter from the Home Secretary.

The Lord Chancellor, Prime Minister and the Home Secretary now say this letter was sent to merely re-affirm the government policy! What a load of tosh.

Why on earth would a Home Secretary write to the courts saying 'Carry on as usual' This government is simply taking us all for fools, just like anyone that claims these horrific files simply get into the computer cache. The images in question are paid for via a credit card. No doubt this was also kept in the computer cache and someone broke into the house and simply downloaded the images without the owners authority. There is simply NO excuse.

John the angry

 

[Flasheart]

I have deleted my previous reply

Shall leave it to the rentamob

 

[mark.t]

the judicial system was a lottery depending on who you got?....now it seams the balance of "getting off "on the scales of justice have been tipped towards the accused ...ok you may be guilty ...but you may just get a appointment with a judge bit of a formality really and makes a joke out of the system......as was said looking at adult porn is most of the time acceptable , because we believe that it is performed between 2 consenting legally aged adults, who get paid.its there job, actors.There are exceptions... when it concerns a child from birth to 17 we have to assume they have not given there consent, and do not fully understand the situation and are being abused or forced into and need full protection of the law.the law will not stop child abuse or stop the circulation of images, but it should throw every bit of power it has to detour people from doing it,looking at it, or anything to do with it.......the judge has not let the politicians down or visa versa...the home secretary John Reid, ,judges,and the law that is in place to protect the very venerable of our so called civilised society has let the children down.

 

[Benzowner]

On re reading this post, I stand by my earlier comments. But additionally, it would appear to be a bigger crime to listen to Royal voice mails than child porn. Two child porn criminals are free, the person who listened to Royal voice mails gets 4 months. There must be logic there somewhere.

 

[mark.t]

On re reading this post, I stand by my earlier comments. But additionally, it would appear to be a bigger crime to listen to Royal voice mails than child porn. Two child porn criminals are free, the person who listened to Royal voice mails gets 4 months. There must be logic there somewhere.

would you leave your kids with this man ......?

 

[glojo]

On re reading this post, I stand by my earlier comments. But additionally, it would appear to be a bigger crime to listen to Royal voice mails than child porn. Two child porn criminals are free, the person who listened to Royal voice mails gets 4 months. There must be logic there somewhere.

Yes there is,
The logic is that our Judges have received instructions from our government and most are sadly complying with them.

The Royal Editor of the News of the World deserves to be imprisoned. What a pity these other judges did not have the courage to do their jobs and simply tell the politicians to keep their noses out of judicial issues.

John

 

[guydewdney]

quote mark t -
would you leave your kids with this man ......?

at least all he would do is know that 'my kids' fancy mr xx from boyband y or misus Y from gurlband z and that cheryl is a fat slag, etc etc etc . Hardly a crime against humanity - in comparison to attempting to fiddle them....

 

[mark.t]

at least all he would do is know that 'my kids' fancy mr xx from boyband y or misus Y from gurlband z and that cheryl is a fat slag, etc etc etc . Hardly a crime against humanity - in comparison to attempting to fiddle them....

very well, just a prerequisite to grooming....no harm done then