Brand New 2024 Mercedes E-Class Estate S214

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Very, very similar to the W213 externally, but it looks as thought the tech has been even more improved interior wise from what I saw a short snip of.
 
Handsome. Said to be the last E class estate?
 
Based on those pics alone.....I think thats a rather better looking car than the 213 version....more "edges".....less of the sagging, slightly melted look that hopefully is a fashion that's passing. Reminds me more of the 212 than the 213. Not sure about the Mercedes star rear lights....but overall?...like it.
 
I would hope the load area can be fully flat like the w124.
 
Based on those pics alone.....I think thats a rather better looking car than the 213 version....more "edges".....less of the sagging, slightly melted look that hopefully is a fashion that's passing. Reminds me more of the 212 than the 213. Not sure about the Mercedes star rear lights....but overall?...like it.

I'd agree with that, a return to styling form.

Annoying to hear that the space under the boot floor is now full of hybrid crap. Another backwards step in the evolution of cars; I don't have rear seats in mine but I can get tons of crap in the space that's left. Really useful on a family holiday.

And as for the lack of V8s. Gah.

We are going backwards fast.
 
We are going backwards fast.
We’re not really though are we? V8’s are no longer needed/required/essential (one could argue that they never were).

My ole dad loved his Fax machine but soon moved on. Move with the times. Embrace the change. Don’t look back, look forward. 🥳
 
I used to get quite a few wine/spirits bottles under the rear facing seats in the s124. And the spare wheel in the wing and the spaces next to the radio aerial and first aid kit had lots of useful hidey hole spaces too. Now there is so little space that almost nothing fits in. I once got two single beds in the back of the s124 and got them into Russia without paying bribes or customs fees... by holding up the entire border queue for 30 minutes while the customs boss made up his mind to let me through. Happy days.
 
I used to get quite a few wine/spirits bottles under the rear facing seats in the s124. And the spare wheel in the wing and the spaces next to the radio aerial and first aid kit had lots of useful hidey hole spaces too. Now there is so little space that almost nothing fits in. I once got two single beds in the back of the s124 and got them into Russia without paying bribes or customs fees... by holding up the entire border queue for 30 minutes while the customs boss made up his mind to let me through. Happy days.
I certainly wouldn’t want to go back to the pure box shape of car of old. Aerodynamics of a London bus. Sure there were more space in old estates. My dads mate had a mahoooosive Volvo estate that would fit a wardrobe inside. But seeing those cars now? Look more like a van.

The sleek design of a modern estate now is so much more pleasing. Sloping rooflines and beautifully sculpted bodies.

Plenty of spacious commercial vehicles available that drive as nice as a car should you feel the need for space.
 
We’re not really though are we? V8’s are no longer needed/required/essential (one could argue that they never were).

My ole dad loved his Fax machine but soon moved on. Move with the times. Embrace the change. Don’t look back, look forward. 🥳

I'm a big fan of V8's. For their size and weight they put out a lot of power and torque very smoothly and very reliably. One of their best attributes is their simplicity, especially if they are n/a. I've had one continuously now for 20 years and have had a tiny number of mechanical problems - namely one crank pulley and one oil leak. For someone who doesn't do a lot of miles they are brilliant things.

I talk about cars a lot with the folks that fix them for me and they all wince at the complexity and declining quality of more recent cars. My current one is from 2010 and so pre-dates the drive for more economy which very often (according to them) often involves trying to make things lighter which often involved substituting plastic assemblies for metal ones and which are therefore more likely to fail. Also, if I were to have the current equivalent of my car's engine it would be smaller and would have two turbos to make up for the loss of displacement. I know what I'd prefer in a 13 year old car - I'll stick with my two extra piston, thankyou. Far less likely to go bang and generate huge bills.

Them you get into the electronics. My wife's car has electric power steering (because mpg's) which failed at 7 years/20k miles. Not wanting to get absolutely rinsed at Fiat (£1k + labour) I went down the specialist route. Three specialists later and a lot of grief I got it fixed for half the cost but it was a right ball ache. In years gone by, that car would have had hydraulic power steering and none of this would have happened. To put this into context, I've had cars with PAS since 1990 and this is the first failure.

That's what I mean by "going backwards". The chase for fuel economy has removed simplicity and/or quality. We're going to end up with cars that may be 20 or 30% better on fuel but which will get scrapped sooner when some sub system fails at catastrophic cost. Which isn't very green if you ask me.

Anyway, I feel like an old man shouting at the clouds. No doubt whatever I get next will have a turbo (or two) and I'll just have to suck it up. I was very happy to get away from those particular automotive grenades when I stepped out of my second 200SX and into my first C43. But, hey ho, that's "progress".
 
I'm a big fan of V8's. For their size and weight they put out a lot of power and torque very smoothly and very reliably. One of their best attributes is their simplicity, especially if they are n/a. I've had one continuously now for 20 years and have had a tiny number of mechanical problems - namely one crank pulley and one oil leak. For someone who doesn't do a lot of miles they are brilliant things.

I talk about cars a lot with the folks that fix them for me and they all wince at the complexity and declining quality of more recent cars. My current one is from 2010 and so pre-dates the drive for more economy which very often (according to them) often involves trying to make things lighter which often involved substituting plastic assemblies for metal ones and which are therefore more likely to fail. Also, if I were to have the current equivalent of my car's engine it would be smaller and would have two turbos to make up for the loss of displacement. I know what I'd prefer in a 13 year old car - I'll stick with my two extra piston, thankyou. Far less likely to go bang and generate huge bills.

Them you get into the electronics. My wife's car has electric power steering (because mpg's) which failed at 7 years/20k miles. Not wanting to get absolutely rinsed at Fiat (£1k + labour) I went down the specialist route. Three specialists later and a lot of grief I got it fixed for half the cost but it was a right ball ache. In years gone by, that car would have had hydraulic power steering and none of this would have happened. To put this into context, I've had cars with PAS since 1990 and this is the first failure.

That's what I mean by "going backwards". The chase for fuel economy has removed simplicity and/or quality. We're going to end up with cars that may be 20 or 30% better on fuel but which will get scrapped sooner when some sub system fails at catastrophic cost. Which isn't very green if you ask me.

Anyway, I feel like an old man shouting at the clouds. No doubt whatever I get next will have a turbo (or two) and I'll just have to suck it up. I was very happy to get away from those particular automotive grenades when I stepped out of my second 200SX and into my first C43. But, hey ho, that's "progress".
Old man shouting at the clouds? 😂. Not at all. I love your detailed reply. Thank you. 👍

I do find it odd that so many people say that todays cars are so unreliable compared to cars of old. Memories of driving around the UK with my dad when I was a boy. The hard shoulder seemed like a car park at times. I do a fair bit of motorway driving nowadays and see very few stricken vehicles compared to days gone by. 🤷‍♂️

Hope this isn’t a ‘kiss of death’ but I’ve not have a breakdown in a car or van since the very early 90’s.
 
Ant, I had it different this week

I did Southampton to Runcorn via inner Birmingham (yuck) and Stoke on Trent for site visits the back the following day - Thursday
I saw several breakdowns (and rather nasty multi car outside lane accident on the M6 northbound) with the AA and others in attendance on the numerous cars broken down
Punctures, over heating (steam!) and people just sat around in service stations with bonnets open.
I was surprised and frustrated as Waze was constantly alerting me to "vehicle on shoulder" or "the inside lane" (grrr!) - journey took well over an hour longer than it should (grrr again)

One the plus side my car was supremely quiet, chilled at 18c, just ticking over below 2,000rpm at 70 something when I could and did 450 miles there and back at 39.7mpg

My local village garage (as a survey of one) has been seeing more cars coming in with deferred maintenance either on the back of recovery trucks or with EML's not helped by missed services.
It something many people will put off / skimp on as the car is running well, until its not as times get harder for us all

I have more motorway trips coming up and whilst I am looking forward to them, I am not...

Back on Thread - that is a lovely looking estate. In V6 form please :cool:
 
That is a great looking estate and a crying shame if this is going to be Merc's last. I have always been a massive fan of all estates, in my eyes they almost always better looking than their saloon counterparts along with being much more practical. I rather like the version (in saloon form) I have seen that has the star back on the bonnet (back to looking like a mini S-Class) but I suppose we won't be getting that in the UK as per the 213, the same as dark interiors only and limited colours to choose from.
 
Hi , I keep looking at the new car and it does look similar to a Skoda Superb Estate from the rear
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That's what I mean by "going backwards". The chase for fuel economy has removed simplicity and/or quality. We're going to end up with cars that may be 20 or 30% better on fuel but which will get scrapped sooner when some sub system fails at catastrophic cost. Which isn't very green if you ask me.
I totally agree with your long reply. To clarify though, the massive complexity of car engines of the past 10 years is to bring down CO2 for the accreditation test. However, you only need to look at the honest John real MPG site to see that MPG hasn't really improved at all. But what has been lost, as you say, is reliability, because all these extra systems to keep CO2 low mean greater chance of one of them failing. I also have a V8, and I just did the MPG calculation for a very long very fast drive from the southwest to the northeast, and it did 25.1 according to my brim to brim fill... I had a Mercedes w203 270 CDI that used to do low to mid 30s MPG. So not bad! We seem to be in a period when ICE cars are becoming worse by the year, and electric cars are becoming better by the year. But at the moment they're both unsatisfactory. But in 10 years there is only going to be better and better electric cars, and ice cars up until the early 2000s will probably be reasonably well valued, but ones after that not so because of the reliability of all the extra CO2 gubbins on board. That's my prediction anyway 😊
 

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