Budget 2006 - Vehicle Tax

[Howard]

Surely the only way you get your tax disc is by producing all your papers , MOT, etc......

If they did away with buying car tax, then i bet everyone would do away with paying out for MOT's and insurance and everything ....

Its a simple way to police it ... as well as bringing in money

 

[Satch]

. So, while we all sit moaning about this lot, do any of us realise that many transport problems are as a result of the Thatcher years of privatisation.

The real problem in case of railways years of ineptitude, inefficiency, under investment and non service under Government ownership followed by years of greed and under investment following privatisation. Yes it was bungled bigtime by all concerned and is only now being fixed.

But Thatcher is not alone in this: Labour has privatised shedloads and only yesterday one Brown, G, tells us that some 30Bn squids worth of Government assets are to be sold over the coming years in the name of "efficiency".

All Governments are trying to get big assets off their balance sheets, even if in our case Brown has resorted to dodgey "non-guarantees" of private loans by Government to do so.

 

[Shude]

Surely the only way you get your tax disc is by producing all your papers , MOT, etc...

Even if the road tax was abolished you should still be expected to go to a post office to provide these documents - this happens in lots of countries.

 

[Howard]

But there'e no incentive to go if you aren't getting an essential legal document that can be viewed from outside of the car, that doesn't involve stopping you and questioning you ....

 

[glojo]

If they did away with buying car tax, then i bet everyone would do away with paying out for MOT's and insurance and everything ....

Its a simple way to police it ... as well as bringing in money

Hi Howard,
Cars over three years of age must get an MOT, when the car is MOT'd it already gets entered onto a National Computer Database. Vehicle Recognition Equipment can expose non MOT'd vehicles, but when your vehicle gets its MOT, the testing station merely gives you your current certificate in the shape (If you like) of a tax disc?? No extra work, no funding required. Of course we can find fault with my suggestion, but it just needs fine tuning.

John

 

[dagd]

I like how some folks try to defend the indefensible, I blame the Roman's for building roads. Why take responsibility when we can blame someone else? It's not this governments fault blah, blah blah.

I am baffled as to why the government simply does not do away with the road fund licence? This is not a stealth tax so why not simply charge folks for burning fuel. The more fuel you burn, the more tax you pay. If the vehicle is eco-friendly then you burn less fuel, less fuel less tax? Look at the huge numbers that could be made redundant over night.... DVLA motor taxation department, tax dodging detection departments. No more tax dodgers so the government would be capturing every fuel burner.

September see's another price rise, but I wonder if the treasury will gracefully back down and let us off? Having no real intention of increasing the price of fuel.

Cigarettes, beer, wine and spirits are starting now to be smuggled into the country by large criminal gangs, fuel is going to be the next liquid gold. Fuel must surely be reaching its taxable limits?

John

I agree, pay for what you use and do away with the paperwork, as you say, wine, beer is being smuggled as is fuel, see link to last Sunday Times
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22750-2090907,00.html

 

[Howard]

Hi Howard,
Cars over three years of age must get an MOT, when the car is MOT'd it already gets entered onto a National Computer Database. Vehicle Recognition Equipment can expose non MOT'd vehicles, but when your vehicle gets its MOT, the testing station merely gives you your current certificate in the shape (If you like) of a tax disc?? No extra work, no funding required. Of course we can find fault with my suggestion, but it just needs fine tuning.

John

Hmmmm ..... good plan , and easily executed .....

You can see why i open gates for a living now .......

 

[Shude]

But there'e no incentive to go if you aren't getting an essential legal document that can be viewed from outside of the car, that doesn't involve stopping you and questioning you ....

Who said you'd not get a document? You could still get a disc to put in the window.

 

[jeremytaylor]

And a wedge of extra stealth tax

Drip



Drip


Drip

Drip, drip,

Drip, drip, drip,

Drip, drip, drip, drip, drip,
drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip.


The unmistakeable sound of stealth taxes.

 

[IanA2]

It's not about them missing you or me this time around etc.

Unlike income tax and VAT the Road tax is a completely voluntary tax. You (or anybody else) can opt out of it at any time - just sell the car

Andy

I live in the country, I cannot walk well, the nearest bus stop is over a mile away, 3 buses a day stop there. Without a car, what the hell do I do? Eh?

 

[lotusmark2]

Toyota Prius anyone????

No things have not got that bad……..YET!

 

[BTB 500]

In Germany I think you get something that goes on the numberplate to prove your car has passed their equivalent of an MOT.

 

[IanA2]

All Governments are trying to get big assets off their balance sheets even if in our case Brown has resorted to dodgey "non-guarantees" of private loans by Government to do so.

Now who else had that bright idea?

Ah yes, that model of corporate probity, that superb example of business dynamism, gentlemen, I give you Enron!!!!

 

[JFleming]

I wish I'd renewed my car tax yesterday - I've just gone to pay through the online site and it's going to cost more £20 more today! BAH!

 

[C240Sport97]

I renewed yesterday morning and saved £45!

I wish I'd renewed my car tax yesterday - I've just gone to pay through the online site and it's going to cost more £20 more today! BAH!

 

[glojo]

I agree, pay for what you use and do away with the paperwork, as you say, wine, beer is being smuggled as is fuel, see link to last Sunday Times

That is an excellent option although the fuel might ruin a very modern CDI engine. I wonder about converting a van to have a huge tank???

I'm sure that a year or so ago I read a very interesting article about British trucks fitting long range tanks and then being penalised by HM Customs. There are however more eminently qualified folks on this forum who might like to confirm\deny or expand on this point????

There is a stigma about drug smuggling but other types are not considered so anti-social.

John

 

[imadoofus]

You pay ROAD tax, not polution tax, so why the difference?

I don't think it's ever been called 'Road Tax', just like Poll Tax was never called that

It's called 'Vehicle Excise Duty', just so the exchequer can base it on any measure they please. Emissions one year, square footage the next, number of windows the one after and so on.

PJ

 

[andy_k]

I live in the country, I cannot walk well, the nearest bus stop is over a mile away, 3 buses a day stop there. Without a car, what the hell do I do? Eh?

hmmm let's see

At the risk of stating the bl**ding obvious.........move (at least nearer to the bus stop)

Again, it's personal choice, you choose to live in the country rather than a place with good (or even adequate) public transport.

We all used to manage perfectly well without cars (even those that lived in the country) but we've got lazy or in some cases become so dependent on a luxury that we now class it as an essential and that is why it is such an easy target for revenue grabbing governments, car park owners etc etc etc

Andy

 

[GrahamC230K]

Andy is not going to back down! Leave him to his own thoughts! LOL

Your employer cannot give you tax savings on supplying your personal PC now either....so I am told.

 

[imadoofus]

Can if you get the scheme started before April 5th. Also, existing schemes are ok.

PJ