Bugger

[RichardM]

I once read about an American Motor Company Director who had 2 driving licences, USA and UK.
If/when he got stopped by the Police he would show the licence of the 'other' country. If got him off the hook several times.

Q. Does anyone here have 2 licences ?
Q. If you are disqualified could you drive abroad on the 'other' licence ?

Yes I have both a US and UK license, but no, even if you are convicted and present the US license the ban is on your UK record, so is enforced whatever you do. I guess it depends whether they realise you are one and the same person! Its supposed to be the same for points, you can still total up 12 points here even holding a foreign license. It is likely to get you off the hook though, but this didn't work for me when I got stopped in the US for speeding and presented my UK license, they still booked me - but the points didn't go on my US license!

 

[pluggers]

yikes .. check this out .. 3 locations.. 30,40 and 70

http://www2.staffordshire.gov.uk/cameralifesavers/locationsmobile.pdf

welcome to my world every freekin corner you go around theres a fookin speed camera.The A34 is best even got a mention on Top Gear once as having cameras neary every 500 yards for 20 plus miles and its duel carrageway just to add insult

 

[Swiss Toni]

Anything over 100mph is magistrates court and usually ends up with 1-3month ban for first offense.

And you base that on what?

 

[Thmsshaun]

welcome to my world every freekin corner you go around theres a fookin speed camera.The A34 is best even got a mention on Top Gear once as having cameras neary every 500 yards for 20 plus miles and its duel carrage just to add insult

That road is joke!

 

[Madferrit]

If i remember rightly, when Jamiroquai got banned in the UK he went to France, passed his test and was legally allowed to drive in the UK again with his french licence.

Just hope it doesn't go down that route, but as mentioned, specialist advice is best sought.

 

[Rose Chap]

Mozzer, you have mail.

 

[Plodd]

If i remember rightly, when Jamiroquai got banned in the UK he went to France, passed his test and was legally allowed to drive in the UK again with his french licence.

Just hope it doesn't go down that route, but as mentioned, specialist advice is best sought.

Don't mean to be rude, but rubbish.

If he is banned here he is banned here French licence or not.

One of the biggest problems we have at present with foreign nationals and British born people with foreign roots is the International Driving Permit. Or as they like to call it The International Driving Licence. It is neither and is of any value only if presented with a driving licence issued by the same Country. Some of the people producing these things have never even visited the country of issue let alone taken a driving test there.

And even if, as some of them do, they have paid for insurance this isn't valid as the policy states they have to hold or have held and are not diqualified from obtaining a driving licence.

This is a major and apparently growing problem.

 

[Swiss Toni]

Yes I have both a US and UK license, but no, even if you are convicted and present the US license the ban is on your UK record, so is enforced whatever you do. I guess it depends whether they realise you are one and the same person! Its supposed to be the same for points, you can still total up 12 points here even holding a foreign license. It is likely to get you off the hook though, but this didn't work for me when I got stopped in the US for speeding and presented my UK license, they still booked me - but the points didn't go on my US license!

Having 2 licences might not be the "Get out of Jail" (ahem) it appears.

Instead of thinking of the paper/plastic item, think of it as a computer record.

If stopped in the UK and you produce your US/International Driving Permit as your licence to drive a car at that time, then the cop is as likely to report you to attend Court (where you record will be endorsed - if you already have a UK licence, then that is endorsed, if not, then one created which acts as your path to disqualification...!).

If you are disqualified from driving in the UK, regardless of what licences you hold, you are disqualified full stop. And if you produce a US licence when stopped Driving Whilst Disqualified, then in addition to getting arrested for the Driving Offence (and consequently not having insurance, because you can't have valid insurance to cover you whilst disqualified...), you could get locked up for attempting to pervert the course of justice too.

Oh. And if you drive whilst disqualifed (and so have no insurance) the cops can seize your car too.

The folks who collect points on their licence like other collect train numbers tend to be the ones with a reckless disregard for the safety of others too (NOT A CONTRIBUTION TO THE SPEEDING THREAD!) and commit other, more serious criminal offences.

 

[mark.t]

Having 2 licences might not be the "Get out of Jail" (ahem) it appears.

Instead of thinking of the paper/plastic item, think of it as a computer record.

If stopped in the UK and you produce your US/International Driving Permit as your licence to drive a car at that time, then the cop is as likely to report you to attend Court (where you record will be endorsed - if you already have a UK licence, then that is endorsed, if not, then one created which acts as your path to disqualification...!).

If you are disqualified from driving in the UK, regardless of what licences you hold, you are disqualified full stop. And if you produce a US licence when stopped Driving Whilst Disqualified, then in addition to getting arrested for the Driving Offence (and consequently not having insurance, because you can't have valid insurance to cover you whilst disqualified...), you could get locked up for attempting to pervert the course of justice too.

Oh. And if you drive whilst disqualifed (and so have no insurance) the cops can seize your car too.

The folks who collect points on their licence like other collect train numbers tend to be the ones with a reckless disregard for the safety of others too (NOT A CONTRIBUTION TO THE SPEEDING THREAD!) and commit other, more serious criminal offences.

2 licences do have value ....if you are disqualified and your work relies on you keeping your licence ...then when its licence check time at work you have a nice clean one for your boss or admin assistant to photocopy for the record....not that iam endorsing this action in any way it has been going on for years in certain forces.....and I totally condemn it

 

[Swiss Toni]

Erm. If your boss accepts your US licence that is....

 

[mark.t]

if its your boss in the USA

 

[Plodd]

2 licences do have value ....if you are disqualified and your work relies on you keeping your licence ...then when its licence check time at work you have a nice clean one for your boss or admin assistant to photocopy for the record....not that iam endorsing this action in any way it has been going on for years in certain forces.....and I totally condemn it

Until you get caught and jailed for disqualified driving.

Oh and then maybe also a side helping of obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception.

 

[RichardM]

Just thought I'd add the US license was sooo easy to obtain. As long as your working over there legally and have a social security number (which I applied for so I could open a bank account - even though I was still being paid in the UK). I just turned up at the test centre on a saturday in my hertz hire car, filled out the forms, a quick computer test, and took the examiner for a quick drive around the block, with no reversing, parking or emergency stop! I walked out a couple of hours later with the license in my hand! I only did it because I kept getting asked for ID in bars and my UK license is a paper one with no photo.

 

[Guy]

Anything over 100mph is magistrates court and usually ends up with 1-3month ban for first offense.

And you base that on what?

Based on the Magistrates Sentencing Guidelines - 6 points or consider ban for up to 56 days where speed limit is 60 or 70 mph and excess speed is 31 - 40 mph above.

 

[Swiss Toni]

Based on the Magistrates Sentencing Guidelines - 6 points or consider ban for up to 56 days where speed limit is 60 or 70 mph and excess speed is 31 - 40 mph above.

I'm sure Guy can suggest a good solicitor...

 

[petef]

I received a ticket from a camera about 12 months ago. I wrote back and stated that i couldnt remember who was driving it was either me or the wife. I said we would both take the blame for the offence and said we would share the fine.I also explained that it had nearly cauesd a marital breakdown, regarding the arguments as to who was or who wasnt driving.I then asked them to send the relative form to complete ( as the form they sent only allowed for one persons name to be entered, the one who committed the offence )...we heard nothing more about it !....when two people hold their hands up to it, then it appears the system is slightly flawed. ...maybe the law has been changed since..
Good Luck..

 

[DieselE]

Just got a letter from Gwent police syaing that they have recorded my car travelling at 105mph on the A449 AT LLANDENNY, I suppose that means a straight ban for the driver ?

If it isn't too painful a topic, how is your problem resolving itself?

 

[Mozzer]

If it isn't too painful a topic, how is your problem resolving itself?

Still in progress

 

[robert.saunders]

Based on the Magistrates Sentencing Guidelines - 6 points or consider ban for up to 56 days where speed limit is 60 or 70 mph and excess speed is 31 - 40 mph above.

I was caught many years ago in excess of 100mph on the A1 in Hertfordshire - the officer who stopped me in his unmarked Rover told me quite bluntly to accept his FPN and my licence was therefore duly surrendered for the points to be applied. These points upon my licence have long since expired, but certainly in the days of the officer actually stopping you for speeding (rather than a camera recording you - although I was on the in-car video), discretion was, for me anyway, more a user-friendly option for the constable to invoke.

I will be intrigued, as many others would I'm sure, to see how this progresses.

Good luck

Rob