c350 cdi vs c350 cgi real world mpg????

[gIzzE]

I wasn't presuming lots of short trips.

I was just saying that for someone doing 10,000 miles a year the difference between 30mpg and 40mpg is £130 a month in fuel vs £160 a month in fuel, so around £7 a week.

30 vs 40 mpg sounds massive.

People then spend thousands changing cars to see better consumption figures when it is a complete nonsense financially. I include myself in that.
I am seeing 35mpg from the E350cdi estate as an average, and I keep thinking maybe I should swap for a C250cdi estate. I love the idea of seeing 45mpg average, and even more love the idea of seeing 50+ on a run. But the reality is for me doing 20,000 miles a year the E350cdi is a much better car financially.

 

[st4]

Eventually you'll change the E350 as it gets older, needs more repairs. Might as well make the change to a more ecomical model unless you crave the ultimate performance of a juicier model.

A 250 C class is great, fast, yet frugal

 

[chrisbin]

Eventually you'll change the E350 as it gets older, needs more repairs. Might as well make the change to a more ecomical model unless you crave the ultimate performance of a juicier model.

A 250 C class is great, fast, yet frugal

 

[gIzzE]

If you're changing anyway that is great, but loads of people I know have changed recently quicker than normal as they get tempted by better mpg figures.

 

[mercmerc321]

Hmm still not decided yet i got a head ache now lol

 

[Dieselman]

And other things going bump in the night...and afternoon....and morning....

LOL.

Did you record those too...

 

[Deleted member 65149]

My opinion in the diesel/petrol debate is obvious by my choice of car. Having spent over £40k on the car, I'm not too bothered about it costing a tad more to run. Indeed I still find it puzzling why Mercedes owners here are getting so uptight about the extra 0.7mpg or whatever they can get from their cars. If costs are that important, why not get a Ford Fiesta?

For me, having a petrol engine instead of diesel is equivalent to having Chateaubriand with celeriac purée, wild mushrooms and shallots instead of a Big Mac. They both do the same job of satisfying your hunger, but the former does it with so much more finesse. Jeremy Vyle's viewers no doubt prefer a Big Mac, but those of us with good taste appreciate quality. :bannana:

 

[tali]

I agree that if you can afford to spend 40k on car then mpg should barely register (although brilliant mpg is a bonus).It's a bit like moaning about a lack of storyline in a porno, or moaning that your sex mad supermodel girlfriend has a boring personality
Disagree about Diesels -they are refined and petrol like.I went from a 175 BHP V6 to a
115bhp Diesel- no big culture shock for me

 

[gIzzE]

Disagree about Diesels -they are refined and petrol like.

No they're not.

As much as I love big diesels and their shove, and never feel like a 6 cyl is short on refinement, they are no where near petrols.

A V6 diesel will feel great, until you live with a V6 petrol for a few days.

But for me it is not refinement, it is more about delivery, I prefer having a car that feels really relaxed, almost lethargic, in the lower rev range, but then starts to sing when you get round passed 4000rpm. You really do have the best of both then. But as more and more petrols are getting turbos these days that is also becoming less relevant.

 

[Geordie Amanda]

I remember a few years ago reading an article about the difference in real cost between a diesel and a petrol car. Some cars like the Golf and I think the X Trail, had a break even on their price discrepancies (based on their fuel preference) with zero miles per year. So in other words the slightly greater price for the diesel model was offset by the greater residual value when you sold the car. Other diesels needed to be driven 10-20K a year to hit this break even figure.

But I think that diesels are so good these days that the choice becomes more about the type of engine you want, rather than the mpg (petrol cars have become much better in recent years). I like the fact that my diesel (and previous diesels) drive like big American V8 petrol engines. They don't rev too well, but produce 'big time shove' when I want to press on (OK they don't sound as good either ) This, I like a lot and so for me, diesel is my current engine of choice. Plus the stratospheric gearing of big diesels is such, that motorways miles are truly effortless. My current MB is even quieter than my previous A4 on the motorway (no mean task either). Mind you I wouldn't want a diesel convertible (too be honest any convertible that can muss your hair up is a bit of a no no as far as I am concerned)

 

[rothbury]

I wasn't presuming lots of short trips.

I was just saying that for someone doing 10,000 miles a year the difference between 30mpg and 40mpg is £130 a month in fuel vs £160 a month in fuel, so around £7 a week.

30 vs 40 mpg sounds massive.

People then spend thousands changing cars to see better consumption figures when it is a complete nonsense financially. I include myself in that.
I am seeing 35mpg from the E350cdi estate as an average, and I keep thinking maybe I should swap for a C250cdi estate. I love the idea of seeing 45mpg average, and even more love the idea of seeing 50+ on a run. But the reality is for me doing 20,000 miles a year the E350cdi is a much better car financially.

Er shouldn't that be £120pm v£160 pm if 30 is 75% of 40? So over £9pw

 

[st4]

Er shouldn't that be £120pm v£160 pm if 30 is 75% of 40? So over £9pw

If its £9pw then over a year that's over £400. The cost of a mini break or a few nice meals out.

Why I drive diesel, I can tour more.

 

[Frugal]

If its £9pw then over a year that's over £400. The cost of a mini break or a few nice meals out.

Add in the saving in road tax and that's enough for an extra portion of onion rings every week ...

 

[gIzzE]

Er shouldn't that be £120pm v£160 pm if 30 is 75% of 40? So over £9pw

No.

Petrol is £1.29 here and Diesel is £1.38 a litre.

I will bet my house you're a diesel owner if you are worried about £2 a week when looking at £35,000+ cars!!

 

[VFRon]

My opinion in the diesel/petrol debate is obvious by my choice of car. Having spent over £40k on the car, I'm not too bothered about it costing a tad more to run. Indeed I still find it puzzling why Mercedes owners here are getting so uptight about the extra 0.7mpg or whatever they can get from their cars. If costs are that important, why not get a Ford Fiesta?

For me, having a petrol engine instead of diesel is equivalent to having Chateaubriand with celeriac purée, wild mushrooms and shallots instead of a Big Mac. They both do the same job of satisfying your hunger, but the former does it with so much more finesse. Jeremy Vyle's viewers no doubt prefer a Big Mac, but those of us with good taste appreciate quality. :bannana:

As you say, its a matter of opinion.

A quote from a tester comparing the two cars back to back:-

THE diesel first. This engine is a real gem. Sweet, rev-happy and cultured, it provides plenty of power to effortlessly bullet the C-class along at points-gathering speed. Pulling away is excellent, with little if any discernible lag, making busy junctions a cinch. This car feels hot-hatch quick off the line, and acceleration at all speeds is relentless. Throttle response is particularly sharp for a diesel – squeeze the accelerator and the car leaps forward with an addictive slug of power, revving cleanly through to its 4,200rpm redline. There seems to be little correlation between engine revs and road speed, particularly when wafting along in seventh gear when the engine is humming along quietly at 1,700rpm at the national speed limit. For the most part the engine is all but silent – it’s only on start-up and at parking speeds that the thrummy exhaust note pervades the cabin.
It’s the kind of car that can waft you quickly and effortlessly from Edinburgh to London non-stop, and leave you fresh and relaxed on arrival. A mini GT, if you like, with performance and refinement, if not the style, to match.
After the superlative diesel, the new C350 petrol is somewhat of a ho-hum drive. Sure, it pulls well, ripping through to its redline with real venom. And yes, it sounds great – pedestrians get the full serrated wail as the car slips through the gears, but drivers will feel short-changed because in the cabin, the engine and exhaust note is hushed and muted.
But, and it’s a big one, despite its prodigious power and zingy exhaust note the C350 just doesn’t have the kind of tail-up enthusiasm and deep-seated driver appeal you’d expect of a 268bhp sporting saloon.



So, for the enthusiast, perhaps its the petrol thats more of a Big Mac.

 

[mercmerc321]

Well the new petrol at 300 bhp right and are diesel drivers so tight lol if i was to get a diesel i think ill be a millionair soon lol... haha...

 

[Deleted member 65149]

As you say, its a matter of opinion.

A quote from a tester comparing the two cars back to back:-

......., the new C350 petrol is somewhat of a ho-hum drive. Sure, it pulls well, ripping through to its redline with real venom. And yes, it sounds great – pedestrians get the full serrated wail as the car slips through the gears, but drivers will feel short-changed because in the cabin, the engine and exhaust note is hushed and muted.
But, and it’s a big one, despite its prodigious power and zingy exhaust note the C350 just doesn’t have the kind of tail-up enthusiasm and deep-seated driver appeal you’d expect of a 268bhp sporting saloon.

So, for the enthusiast, perhaps its the petrol thats more of a Big Mac.

If the tester tried the latest versions, the results may differ. MY new C350 provides 306bhp, which it delivers with great gusto, particularly when the Sport button has been pressed. Chateaubriand with Saint Emilion Grand cru

 

[st4]

Chateaubriand with Saint Emilion Grand cru

Whats the C63 then?

 

[VFRon]

If the tester tried the latest versions, the results may differ. MY new C350 provides 306bhp, which it delivers with great gusto, particularly when the Sport button has been pressed. Chateaubriand with Saint Emilion Grand cru

True!!!
Shame it's torque is still over 100lb ft down compared with the diesel.
For road driving I'll keep to the diesel and enjoy that thrust

Still, your new petrol C350 can be upgraded to a Big Mac with tomato sauce

 

[tali]

No they're not.

As much as I love big diesels and their shove, and never feel like a 6 cyl is short on refinement, they are no where near petrols.

A V6 diesel will feel great, until you live with a V6 petrol for a few days.

But for me it is not refinement, it is more about delivery, I prefer having a car that feels really relaxed, almost lethargic, in the lower rev range, but then starts to sing when you get round passed 4000rpm. You really do have the best of both then. But as more and more petrols are getting turbos these days that is also becoming less relevant.

Old school diesels were terrible-with nothing at bottom end, but newer ones apart from rattle at start up seem just as refined on motorway.Only 6cylinder diesel i sampled was a 02 reg BMW 530D - it sounded grunty and sweet -what diesel? i asked myself
For me it is more about cost issue where i would buy petrol instead -(okay it is from DM)
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