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Camber, castor, toe, what's it mean!!

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What is it?
Simply put Geometry is the X,Y,Z axis that forms a dynamic realm expressed by the suspension, steering and the cars parallelograms.

Why have it?
The actual tyre contact patch is about 1/3 of the total tyre width. During the suspensions transitions there is a need to maintain the position of the contact patch without distortion or saturation but still allow for comfort and indeed tyre preservation.

How?
Geometry has two areas that concern us after the mechanical engineers offer the final product.
Static:- This is the inert position of X,Y,Z measured during a calibration.
Dynamic:- This is the "expected" gains of X,Y,Z whilst in motion.

The true realm of Geometry is dynamic, a fluid 3D environment applying Geometric forces that are dependable during Yaw, maintaining the contact patch..... The holey grail of chassis calibration is realizing the gains whilst the cars chassis is static... Not an easy task.

The angles and forces
Of the many angles we will just concentrate on three.

Camber:- Is the vertical position of the wheel, it's duty is to position the cars weight to the correct area of the tyre contact patch. If the vertical position is incorrect then the vehicular weight will be disproportionate and accelerate tyre wear.

Camber force:- The tilt of the camber deforms the circumference of the tyre sidewall, this forces the tyre into a conical profile that wants to roll into it's conical centre...... So if i were to describe the camber force it would be "compressive".

Toe:- Is the longitudinal position of the tyre relative to the direction of travel. In a straight line a need to calculate the type of momentum albeit front-rear or four wheel drive -V- the actual rolling resistance generated between the tyre contact patch and the road makes Toe an infinitesimally difficult position to exact outside of the theoretical.... Nevertheless the ultimate aim for all drives is a dynamic 0 toe.

Toe force:- Toe exerts no force unless aggressively displaced, then the car will feel unstable off the bump.... Toe cannot make a car pull.

Castor Is an extension of the front wheels steer axis... By design the lower steer axis is off-set to the wheel centre and the upper rotational axis.

If an imaginary line was drawn through the pivotal points it would fall in front of the tyre this is called the "trial distance", by design the tyre has no option other then to follow the trail unless interrupted by Yaw.

Castor force:- Is compressive adding weight to the steering feel.... My best description is the castors energy is gyroscopic resiting any attempts to deviate from dead ahead.

Time to turn
Now we have a basic understanding of the angles lets see what happens when you turn....This explanation will not include inertia or transfer properties.

Example taken at the front wheels on a 10 degree right lock
At 10 degrees the front camber positions will change from / \ to / / the near side castor will reduce and the offside will extend.

This action lowers the cars upper parallelogram on the offside corner, diagonally modifying the camber contact patch, the castor trail and the acceptance of toe on the inner wheel.

Most believe the recovery of the lock is due to the castor extension or gyroscopic laws, in fact this is not true?

During any lock transition the cars upper parallelogram is supported by the lower King-pins (lower swivels) as the inner castor sweeps forward the inclination of the king-pins is off-set so that the inner offside front is more vertical than the relaxed nearside front.

Since the position of the king-pin is perpendicular a higher position holds more vehicular weight and since the kingpins are connected via the steering rack a natural equilibrium insists the steering will be returned.

Those settings
All manufacturers offer a static setting range, this allows for wear since the driven car is subject to road trauma and progressive deterioration of the suspension, so we have a range.

On a fully adjustable chassis a range means nothing... Optimum positions can be achieved and you should expect nothing less if you want to experience the true splendour of the chassis.

That's it..... I hope my explanation made some sense and offers a little understanding for you and what to expect at the shop from the Geometry calibration.

Thank you
Tony
 
Castor force:- Is compressive adding weight to the steering feel.... My best description is the castors energy is gyroscopic resiting any attempts to deviate from dead ahead.

Bearing in mind your comments re the restoring forces to straighten the steering being weight derived, nonetheless, isn't the effect of castor force at speed best considered as a moment at ground level, around the point at which the steering axis meets the ground, and the force being lateral and acting through the tyre contact patch as viewed in plan? The restoring force arising from the drag of the tyre.
Or, the same but not at ground level, possibly hub level?
Or, neither!
Not nit-picking, but genuinely interested, not least as this aspect of steering geometry has always confused me as to its affects on cross-wind stability.
 
Bearing in mind your comments re the restoring forces to straighten the steering being weight derived, nonetheless, isn't the effect of castor force at speed best considered as a moment at ground level, around the point at which the steering axis meets the ground, and the force being lateral and acting through the tyre contact patch as viewed in plan? The restoring force arising from the drag of the tyre.
Or, the same but not at ground level, possibly hub level?
Or, neither!
Not nit-picking, but genuinely interested, not least as this aspect of steering geometry has always confused me as to its affects on cross-wind stability.

Force is longitudinal not lateral.

Castor is an imaginary projection between the upper and lower pivotal points, since the lower point is aft of the wheels centre it can be concluded the front wheels are being pulled rather than pushed.

Mechanically and a few laws of physics means the tyre has to obey the designated line of travel adding security in the steering.

The longitudinal aspect of castor is historically viewed as the hero for steering return, this is simply not the case..... Many bubbles burst.

Think of this.... The lower ball joint connects to the hub via a perpendicular ball joint, in straight line travel both front perpendicular pick up points, or pins are relaxed, if you add a steering action to these the perpendicular position will change, one up, one down, depending on lock.

On the side that rises it lifts the car on that corner and since it's position is linked via the steering rack it becomes unstable, all of a sudden the vehicles weight is pressing down on the inclined ball joint. This weight retuns the steering position.

Simple observational test.... Start your car and turn the steering lock-on-lock then watch the bonnet tilt left/right.
 
how long does a full check and adjust take, and what will be the fanatical damage?

i want full monty doing after i change all the bushes ect on my 124, when the weather improves enough to get the spanners out.

how long a lead time do you need for booking ect?

cheers
nick
 
how long does a full check and adjust take, and what will be the fanatical damage?

i want full monty doing after i change all the bushes ect on my 124, when the weather improves enough to get the spanners out.

how long a lead time do you need for booking ect?

cheers
nick

I'm a little nerve's to answer that...... can anyone point me to the trader rules and reg's.

Forum owner/s and admin must be aware i trade in chassis calibration but i'm not going to take the mickey as a sign of respect.
 

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