Can we live with this ???

[lynall]

Dont forget old saying, common sense isnt that common



Lynall

 

[Peter DLM]

For those wanting to move to Australia, I'm guessing you haven't encountered the Oz police and how vigourously they enforce their own speed limits?

I think I'd prefer an easily spotter scamera, than many covert speed traps.

 

[flango]

This has alreaady been done in South Yorkshire all the National speed limits around the village where I live were reduced to 50 mph just under a year ago, same applies to all neighbouring villages, can't think of a National speed limit road anywhere near me

 

[st13phil]

This has alreaady been done in South Yorkshire

Similar approach in Oxfordshire. They have had a policy objective for a few years that "there will be no NSL single-carriageway roads in Oxfordshire".

 

[kwakdonut]

They quote 3000 deaths per year - so where did they dream this figure up from? Is it deaths of persons in cars or vehicles as a whole (inc Bikes, Lorries etc) or total deaths including pedestrians, people sitting in their living rooms etc??

3000 against the fact that there is 23 million+ vehicles on registered in this country is actually not a bad figure! As horrible as it sounds.....works out to 1 death per 7666 vehicles!

 

[wemorgan]

They quote 3000 deaths per year - so where did they dream this figure up from? Is it deaths of persons in cars or vehicles as a whole (inc Bikes, Lorries etc) or total deaths including pedestrians, people sitting in their living rooms etc??

3000 against the fact that there is 23 million+ vehicles on registered in this country is actually not a bad figure! As horrible as it sounds.....works out to 1 death per 7666 vehicles!

Here's the full 'Road Casualties in Great Britain 2007' report

Deaths in 2007:

Pedestrian 646
Pedal cyclists 136
Motorcycle users 588
Car users 1432
Bus and coach 12
Goods vehicle 110

All users 2946 (22 more than the above numbers summed....don't know why)

 

[MrT]

All because of Labour's ridiculous pledge in 1997 to reduce accidental deaths?

 

[st13phil]

In relation to speed and safety , the following words from 'Roadcraft' are relevant

Unfortunately, the lunatics have been running the "road safety" asylum in this country for a number of years and sound practices with respect to the use of speed as described in Roadcraft have been progressively written out because they don't fit the new order. There's a huge body of research that shows that the drivers least likely to be involved in a collision are those who modulate their speed appropriately for the circumstances and in free-flowing conditions travel at or marginally above the 85th percentile speed for the road in question. However, that fact doesn't fit well with the "slower is safer" brigade, so current policy regarding speed limits actively ignores it.

Eventually, we will all be required to stand quite still on the basis that if we don't move we won't crash into anything

 

[recycled]

Just been on the nhs site.
smoking and smoking related diseases, kills 114k ever year.
That is 38 times road deaths. How about doing something about this killer product? vigorously.
Sorry to all smokers but a £60 fine for every lit cigarette? As they want us to believe, they are only out to save our lives

 

[trapperjohn]

Ah smoking. Lot of "noise" from HMG, you get "fined" everytime you buy em (tax) and HMG quite likes the early mortality rate (less pensions to pay out) Who looks after you in the last throws of cancer, well normally a hospice - sometimes. Government funded hospices? - not a lot. No one is quite sure if smoking is a related accellerator to cancer, but most smokers seem to think not. They just nip out for the odd fag to shorten the odds a bit. Yup you guessed it Im a none smoker but dont mind them who do. Live and let live.

 

[CE230]

NSL to be reduced to 50mph

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Does zanulabour really think that this will reduce road deaths? Average road deaths in the UK have been static at 3,000 pa for some time now despite other legislation. As for carbon saving don't make me larf, they''ll trade any savings made with a rising industrial nation such as India or China.

If they were serious about casualty reductions they would invest heavily in advanced driver training and implement some jaywalking law.

It takes long enough to get to places as it is with all the pensioners going to the garden centres and mums on school runs and the lost time could be made up when in the NSL but not any more it would appear.

Just another nail in the freedom coffin.

 

[st4]

Ah smoking. Lot of "noise" from HMG, you get "fined" everytime you buy em (tax) and HMG quite likes the early mortality rate (less pensions to pay out) Who looks after you in the last throws of cancer, well normally a hospice - sometimes. Government funded hospices? - not a lot. No one is quite sure if smoking is a related accellerator to cancer, but most smokers seem to think not. They just nip out for the odd fag to shorten the odds a bit. Yup you guessed it Im a none smoker but dont mind them who do. Live and let live.

If only HMG would let us car drivers, who pay 5x over the odds for the priviledge of our crr4ppy, roads live and let live. As kwakdonut says, 3000 deaths is pretty good going given how many of us travel by road and the frequency that we do so. The odds are very low and even @ 30k deaths/yr I wouldn't think driving a particularly hazardous way to travel. Those that think roads are unsafe, don't travel by them. Walk, or take the train.

Smokers, in my opinion, get equally unfair treatment when they are treated as 2nd class citizens who are made to stand out in the rain and smoke there rather than with their drink in the pub. They pay masses of tax on their fags, far more probably than the state spends paying for their ill health later. Trust me, if treating people with smoking related illnesses cost more than the tax brought in, ciggies would have been made illegal years ago.

I am not a smoker BTW and I am aware of the risks of secondary smoke etc but there should be some places that cater for their needs without the interference of HMG. Betcha if I opened a pub and could let smokers smoke in it, it would crush the competitors that make they stand outside like 2nd class citizens.

 

[recycled]

exactly. live and let live i believe in as well but why do they want us to actually believe that they really "care for our lives" hence the speed limits. the same people who care so much are planning on realeasing/ letting criminals with drug habits off the hook
My smoking example was used not to castigate smokers, but to prove that there are a lot more things taking more british lives than driving and if they are that concerned, they should pursue those things.
I mean saving so many lives 114k as opposed to 3k lives would look so much better or is it because of all the revenues that these two actions produce?

chasing motorists , good for cash
Leaving smokers to smoke, good for cash

chasing smokers, reduces 114k in death, not so good for cash

 

[st4]

exactly. live and let live i believe in as well but why do they want us to actually believe that they really "care for our lives" hence the speed limits. the same people who care so much are planning on realeasing/ letting criminals with drug habits off the hook
My smoking example was used not to castigate smokers, but to prove that there are a lot more things taking more british lives than driving and if they are that concerned, they should pursue those things.
I mean saving so many lives 114k as opposed to 3k lives would look so much better or is it because of all the revenues that these two actions produce?

chasing motorists , good for cash
Leaving smokers to smoke, good for cash

chasing smokers, reduces 114k in death, not so good for cash

They need our money so they can buy banks and control us. I honenstly cannot beleive they haven't got better things to spend OUR money on. Better roads for one, maybe be able to knock some money of fuel duty the list goes on...

I suspect, just like the scrapping of 10yr old cars, that its to curtail any enjoyment we have left. A left wing government, which we have, is anti anything nice and un caverdwellery, fast older cars, free roads are just that. Its interfering and inconviencing the sort of people this government has a political agenda against, which are middle class working people who enjoy fast flowing roads in nice cars.

 

[Ade B]

changed my mind...

 

[recycled]

I think it is the hypocrisy of the whole situation that is making people worried. All adverts say hit someone at 30mph there is a chance of survival. at 40mph there is a chance of death.
Bingo just make the national limit 20mph and death would be reduced to zero instantly.

What exactly ae they trying to achieve here? zero road deaths, or a manageable number which is what? and why do they think specs cameras can enforce the limit? is the camera going to come down and slam your brakes on?

 

[st4]

I think it is the hypocrisy of the whole situation that is making people worried. All adverts say hit someone at 30mph there is a chance of survival. at 40mph there is a chance of death.
Bingo just make the national limit 20mph and death would be reduced to zero instantly.

What exactly ae they trying to achieve here? zero road deaths, or a manageable number which is what? and why do they think specs cameras can enforce the limit? is the camera going to come down and slam your brakes on?

SPECS is an average speed system, it will achieve virtually 100% compliance. However on a nice road near me where I admit 60mph is a bit on the slow side they could put specs up and all I'd do is pull into the lay bye near the end of the road for a few minutes as Id rather travel that road at speeds I enjoy than do 50mph and not enjoy it very much.

You see its deeply flawed system if a dim bulb like me can think out ways to beat it

 

[recycled]

yes agreed but it will ensure compliance on those want to comply. those who wont, will go over the limit. get points, get banned and others will do the same again, over and over. it still is no guarantee to slow anyone down.

 

[Peteee]

Its all to do with big business money making scam.
Speed control, congestion charge for fat cat retired ACPO ranks and governments.
Next will be is your car journey essential apply and pay for a travel permit via your local council or use their community green bus.

 

[219]

SPECS will have zero effect on the most dangerous category of road user : the inexperienced , unlicensed , uninsured neds driving stolen or unregistered (to them) cars which cannot be traced back to the driver .