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car registration documents scam?

I think a little healthy paranoia in these circumstances is appropriate - on both sides! Have you thought about her predicament, though? Imagine the scene:

Paris. Evening. Two lovers engage in a post coital cigarette:

"Eh bien, ma chérie," She says to her man, "j'ai trouvé la voiture de mes rêves: un cabriolet CLK500 certains geezer en Angleterre a en vente sur ebay."

(She shakes her hair, and after taking a draw on the cigarette, passes it over...)

"Vraiment, ma chère?" He responds.

(He takes a long draw on the cigarette and while holding the smoke deep in his lungs, squints through the smoke and offers his thoughts on the prospective transaction)

"Comment savez-vous vraiment sa sa voiture et n'a pas été volé? Je veux voir le document d'enregistrement avant même la réservation d'un billet pour aller plus à le voir, et certainement avant de dépenser de l'argent!"

Far be it from me to cast aspersions upon your good character, x332race, that's not my intention, but you've got to admit he's got a point. We don't know that she's up to no good. After all, she may be genuine about the car, and they may even be married - and to each other, too.

The question is: What actions would you take to protect your interests if the situation was reversed?
 
I think a little healthy paranoia in these circumstances is appropriate - on both sides! Have you thought about her predicament, though? Imagine the scene:

Paris. Evening. Two lovers engage in a post coital cigarette:

"Eh bien, ma chérie," She says to her man, "j'ai trouvé la voiture de mes rêves: un cabriolet CLK500 certains geezer en Angleterre a en vente sur ebay."

(She shakes her hair, and after taking a draw on the cigarette, passes it over...)

"Vraiment, ma chère?" He responds.

(He takes a long draw on the cigarette and while holding the smoke deep in his lungs, squints through the smoke and offers his thoughts on the prospective transaction)

"Comment savez-vous vraiment sa sa voiture et n'a pas été volé? Je veux voir le document d'enregistrement avant même la réservation d'un billet pour aller plus à le voir, et certainement avant de dépenser de l'argent!"

Far be it from me to cast aspersions upon your good character, x332race, that's not my intention, but you've got to admit he's got a point. We don't know that she's up to no good. After all, she may be genuine about the car, and they may even be married - and to each other, too.

The question is: What actions would you take to protect your interests if the situation was reversed?

The real question here is...were they smoking Camel or Gauloises blondes?
 
She may well be genuine, but during the phone call she did as some odd questions. The oddest was "do I have the hard top for the car?" As we know, MB never made a hard top for the CLK convertible.....and she seemed to be more interested in trying to reduce the price I was prepared to accept rather than asking questions regarding the condtion etc.

She is welcome to come and see the car and we can take things from there. I am not desperate to sell and can wait a while to find a buyer.
 
She may well be genuine, but during the phone call she did as some odd questions. The oddest was "do I have the hard top for the car?" As we know, MB never made a hard top for the CLK convertible.....

There are hard tops available though.
 
AFAIK it's only in this country people so paranoid about info that's virtually in the public domain anyway.

If you list on a car for sale on ebay.com you are required to furnish the VIN as part of the listing & 99.999999% of people do so without any problem whatsoever. As someone said earlier, your VIN is also on public display in your windscreen for the world to see.

Anybody who works for any main dealer, GSF, ECP or about ten million other businesses can get your car's VIN from the number plate in about 3 seconds. With the foot print most people casually leave on the internet a hell of a lot more info can, with very little effort, be discovered about you than the VIN of your car!
 
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I think a little healthy paranoia in these circumstances is appropriate - on both sides! Have you thought about her predicament, though? Imagine the scene:

Paris. Evening. Two lovers engage in a post coital cigarette:

"Eh bien, ma chérie," She says to her man, "j'ai trouvé la voiture de mes rêves: un cabriolet CLK500 certains geezer en Angleterre a en vente sur ebay."

(She shakes her hair, and after taking a draw on the cigarette, passes it over...)

"Vraiment, ma chère?" He responds.



(He takes a long draw on the cigarette and while holding the smoke deep in his lungs, squints through the smoke and offers his thoughts on the prospective transaction)

"Comment savez-vous vraiment sa sa voiture et n'a pas été volé? Je veux voir le document d'enregistrement avant même la réservation d'un billet pour aller plus à le voir, et certainement avant de dépenser de l'argent!"

Far be it from me to cast aspersions upon your good character, x332race, that's not my intention, but you've got to admit he's got a point. We don't know that she's up to no good. After all, she may be genuine about the car, and they may even be married - and to each other, too.

The question is: What actions would you take to protect your interests if the situation was reversed?

You've been looking at those "artistic" French films from your VHS video collection haven't you ??!
 
Sorry can someone tell me how you know she is from Paris France? :cool: While there's nothing wrong with supplying information that's in the public domain the trick with con artists is to start with innocuous requests to " groom " people into information revealing mode Its then all too easy to let slip information which should remain confidential.. Nobody is going to start off with "And what exactly is your bank account number and the name and address of your bank" that's questions 67 and 103- not today next week . So VIN number is fine-- a copy of the V5 is not. Or in case of the "prospective buyer " hustle remember they may not be remotely interested in buying your car but somewhere along the line may need your bank details to arrange a money transfer etc etc :rolleyes: In these circumstances all you can do is go with your gut--- if it feels iffy it probably is. Get it wrong you lose the sale [ there are other buyers in the world] OR you lose thousands :dk:
 
Since I let the French Girl know that I would not send her a copy of the V5 several days ago, I have not heard from her at all.

Is that a coincidence?
 
grober,

Did you ever buy anything with a cheque?

Not from some :devil:French/Albanian/Nigerian/ Russian/Thai :devil: hairy chested Maffioso script kiddy called "Estelle" :cool: I met on the internet NO. ;) Usually it was a purchase in an office/saleroom/ store and involved a slightly overweight but pleasant middle aged woman called Edith who had 3 kids going to the local school and was slightly fed up of her job which she had worked in for the last 10 years. It was called the real world.:(

I honestly admire people who have to conduct business in this new "virtual business" world. I don't think I could do it. I guess after a time you would develop certain instincts which would protect you from the worst scams. The problem lies with folks like the poster who are not involved daily- day in this sort of transaction and are perhaps more vulnerable? :dk:
 
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Since I let the French Girl know that I would not send her a copy of the V5 several days ago, I have not heard from her at all.

Is that a coincidence?

There are scams abroad where stolen cars can be given your cars' identity and for this they need the V5 (or copy of) as they want to claim to having imported it from the UK. Perhaps this was their angle?
 
Not from some :devil:French/Albanian/Nigerian/ Russian/Thai :devil: hairy chested Maffioso script kiddy called "Estelle" :cool: I met on the internet NO. ;) Usually it was a purchase in an office/saleroom/ store and involved a slightly overweight but pleasant middle aged woman called Edith who had 3 kids going to the local school and was slightly fed up of her job which she had worked in for the last 10 years. It was called the real world. :dk:


And are the banks, their cheque processing centres & everywhere else on the cheques' journey & route until it is ultimately pulped similarly staffed by Ediths? Who knows whose hands your cheque would pass through in the whole process.

When I enquire about parts from most large commercial breakers in Germany they automatically include their bank details, including acct. name, addresses, acct #s, sort codes & IBAN / BICs info in the signature of their email so I can buy without further emailing. I honestly think this kind of fraud is not nearly as prevalent as people seem to think it is & you are worrying about things that don't need to be worried about.

I have no idea if a copy of the registration is required in France, it may operate under different rules, it being, you know, a different country and all. What do you think the potential buyer could do with a copy of a V5 that could come back to bite the seller?

OP probably hasn't heard from her again because she has him pegged, perhaps incorrectly, as an awkward & difficult seller. I was once refused the reg # or the VIN of a car I was interested in with the seller telling me I could get it when I came to see the car, a 500 mile round trip away. He never heard from me again either.
 
At the end of the day she asked for a 'copy' of the document that shows you actually own the car.

If I was buying a car from abroad I would also ask to see a 'copy' of this document to.

If the seller refused to show me the proof of ownership I would call it a day.

Do you actually own the car?
Did you just grab the images from somewhere on the net and then advertise it hoping to trick someone out of their hard earned?

I'm not saying she wasn't on the take, she probably lived 5 miles down and would get someone to rob your place at gunpoint to get the keys when they had the V5, but at the same time she might just have been a French woman wanted a cab for the summer and taking advantage of the ridiculously cheap UK prices and panicked when you said 'I won't show you proof that I own it.'


She is probably posting on a French forum...

"This CLK seems really cheap, I know that UK prices are far lower and the Euro vs Sterling makes it seem 25% cheaper again at the moment but is it too good to be true?"

"Ask the guy to send you proof he owns it and if he does go for it, seems a bargain!"

"Well as soon as I asked proof of ownership herefused."

"Walk away, another scamming roast beef!!!"
 
Ive just read an interesting article about car cloning and the fact that cloners are having to steal official reg docs to successfully clone a car as the important part is the barcode.
Apparently its easy to duplicate a V5 but the sticky part is that to tax a vehicle they need an official barcode.
Ive just read various similar stories on other sites regarding prospective foreign purchasers asking for a scan of the V5 for various reasons and almost everyone turned out to be a scammer (Malta seems a popular place to originate from)
I think the op did the right thing as the balance of foreign legit purchasers to dodgy ones is pretty uneven
I would have been very polite with the lady and voiced my concerns (maybe offered her a photo of all the docs together but not detailed enough to make out the important details)
My advice is to go with your gut feeling and if it seems dodgy it usually is!
 
Ive just read an interesting article about car cloning and the fact that cloners are having to steal official reg docs to successfully clone a car as the important part is the barcode.
Apparently its easy to duplicate a V5 but the sticky part is that to tax a vehicle they need an official barcode.
Ive just read various similar stories on other sites regarding prospective foreign purchasers asking for a scan of the V5 for various reasons and almost everyone turned out to be a scammer (Malta seems a popular place to originate from)
I think the op did the right thing as the balance of foreign legit purchasers to dodgy ones is pretty uneven
I would have been very polite with the lady and voiced my concerns (maybe offered her a photo of all the docs together but not detailed enough to make out the important details)
My advice is to go with your gut feeling and if it seems dodgy it usually is!

Thanks for support!

I have had what I consider 3 scams (or slightly dodgy) so far in trying to sell this car.

1. French girl as above
2. Irish guy wanting copy of a utility bill so he could verify my address.
3. Guy who wanted to part exchange: he proposed describing his car and then placing an non-refundable deposit in my bank account. I would then have to drive my car to him and pick up his car when the balance would be paid.

I have also had several dealers trying it on with very low offers (I dont mind these as I can appreciate what they are trying to do). I have also had a number of inquiries from "normal" prospective buyers.
 
Ive just read various similar stories on other sites regarding prospective foreign purchasers asking for a scan of the V5 for various reasons and almost everyone turned out to be a scammer (Malta seems a popular place to originate from)

There is a huge market in Malta for UK cars. Most are imported legally and above board. They drive on the left (in theory) and most speak english. Import duties are high but nothing like as high as on new cars so used UK cars are very attractive. I am sure some are scammers but a lot are legit.
 
Ive just read various similar stories on other sites regarding prospective foreign purchasers asking for a scan of the V5 for various reasons and almost everyone turned out to be a scammer (Malta seems a popular place to originate from)

There is a huge market in Malta for UK cars. Most are imported legally and above board. They drive on the left (in theory) and most speak english. Import duties are high but nothing like as high as on new cars so used UK cars are very attractive. I am sure some are scammers but a lot are legit.

Maybe so, but as I mentioned almost every one I read turned out to be the old "we will send a cheque for more than the amount and a driver" scam

However, I did successfully sell one of my cars to a guy in Germany who transferred the full amount into one of my accounts (which incidentally only had a few pounds in) and he sent a truck to collect a couple of weeks later.
He didnt ask for a copy of anything for insurance or export purposes. I dealt with all the documents at the point of collection.
 
Nurple - I just registered today to try to resurrect this thread!

I have had an offer on my Smart and the buyer is apparently a garage owner in Malta, willing to pay by Swift (which my bank says can not be recalled once credited without my authority).

In my case he has said he needs a copy of page 2 which has my address, VIN, some car details (all of which I'd give any buyer as they'd need to verify I live where I say I do, and the VIN is on display anyway) engine number and document number. I would be tempted to cover the last two up in the scan.

He says he needs the copy of the V5 to satisfy his bank that the payment is not money laundering and to let it through. Now I'm not sure about this- my first thought was that it'd be better if the bank contacted me, but he has rejected that and frankly I could never see my bank being that flexible either.

Nurple do you remember where you read the article on the Malta scams? I would love to read it and my Googling got me nowhere...

So far the only risk I can see is that my car would be cloned. Which is just the same as if someone puts my number plate on their car, except this guy is in Malta (I will call him there to check!) and I can't see me getting Maltese speeding tickets.

Thanks
 

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