Cooking oil and C250td sucess!

[Dieselman]

It doesn't matter - does it have a RFL ? if yes , then you are pinched - then can turn up any time and any place without a warrant to dip you ....
Think on before posting such things - they probably have the power to insist upon your personal details from the Hosting service

Somone I know was stopped and dipped, no problem, but he guy in a builders van wasn't so lucky. They asked him if he wanted to remove his belongings, to which he said no as he had no other transport, so the whole lot got crushed.

In a totally seperate incident another one was dipped and found to be on red, so they checked his wifes car as well...oops. Both MB Sprinter and Ford ?? were taken away, and every diesel car in the street was dipped also. Made him very popular with the neighbours.
In addition HMRC have hit him with a bill for 5 years unpaid fuel duty.

Worth thinking about..

 

[recycled]

Somone I know was stopped and dipped, no problem, but he guy in a builders van wasn't so lucky. They asked him if he wanted to remove his belongings, to which he said no as he had no other transport, so the whole lot got crushed.

In a totally seperate incident another one was dipped and found to be on red, so they checked his wifes car as well...oops. Both MB Sprinter and Ford ?? were taken away, and every diesel car in the street was dipped also. Made him very popular with the neighbours.
In addition HMRC have hit him with a bill for 5 years unpaid fuel duty.

Worth thinking about..

All the more reason to buy petrol cars

Just joking:bannana:

 

[fredfloggle]

Well spoken . He may have dodgy personal details as well you know. Just like his fuel and send HMRC on a wild duck chase or is it goose?:bannana:

I can assure you that he is traceable ......

These guys can tell what brand of diesel you are running by sniffing the tank .

The legality of it isn't the issue for me - I just wish to point out the HMCE inspectors are not complete spanners , and they trawl these forums looking for Joe Soap to post enough evidence to make it an easy nab .

You will note that the price differential has narrowed between Ribena and street diesel - I assume that the idea being you cannot pull out a declaration on being stopped and claim that you were just about topay the duty on the red - if you did , it would be more expensive than from the pump .

 

[glojo]

To my knowledge Customs & Excise have a warrant which allows them to gain entry onto private property to check, inspect, examine property. They have powers that our 'fascist' Police can only dream about. If you have diesel which has had the dye removed the checks they carry out will show that, they seize\confiscate your car and as Dieselman has already outlined, hit you with further punitive options including court as well as back dated revenue. Don't forget they will also go through the VAT accounts!!

I'm not sure they can check a vehicle on private property that does NOT have a current tax disc??? (Question)

There are regulations that cover the use of vehicles that can use dyed diesel on our roads and I don't think it covers blooming tractors that go long distances, holding up other road users for mile after mile

John

 

[nick mercedes]

Somone I know was stopped and dipped, no problem, but he guy in a builders van wasn't so lucky. They asked him if he wanted to remove his belongings, to which he said no as he had no other transport, so the whole lot got crushed.

Crushed??

They just give you a bill for the back tax (that they get to calculate) and once you cough up you get your car/van/lorry back.

 

[glojo]

Crushed??

They just give you a bill for the back tax (that they get to calculate) and once you cough up you get your car/van/lorry back.

I'm NOT disagreeing with you but this is my personal experience:

The person that I know of, had his new (11 months old) car seized had to pay an estimated amount of back revenue, Customs & Excise offered to let him buy back the car at the current Glasses Guide Trade price. He was told that he was still being reported and he might have to go to court! This person took legal advice about the seizure of the car and the right of Customs and Excise to try to dispose of it. After taking legal advice he opted to buy back the vehicle. Once a laboratory tests proves you have untaxed diesel in the tank and in this case the owner admitted the offence then he was in a pickle.

Being a business they went through his books, looked at his fuel receipts and compared those to the mileage on the car.

If anyone gets caught, then in my opinion they are in really deep do does.

John

 

[fredfloggle]

To my knowledge Customs & Excise have a warrant which allows them to gain entry onto private property to check, inspect, examine property. They have powers that our 'fascist' Police can only dream about. If you have diesel which has had the dye removed the checks they carry out will show that, they seize\confiscate your car and as Dieselman has already outlined, hit you with further punitive options including court as well as back dated revenue. Don't forget they will also go through the VAT accounts!!

I'm not sure they can check a vehicle on private property that does NOT have a current tax disc??? (Question)

There are regulations that cover the use of vehicles that can use dyed diesel on our roads and I don't think it covers blooming tractors that go long distances, holding up other road users for mile after mile

John

Pretty sure it had to be taxed for them to dip off road to prove that a summary offence was being committed but I am sure some one else can confirm .
A farmer used to be able to run 7 miles a week between fixed places and use red on the road , but in theory , many items of plant are subject to using DERV fuel . Certain items like road sweepers used to run just one tank for motive and the hoover , but now run two .

I have seen them dip off road , and they didn't ask , let us put it like that . You would also be hard pushed to say you are going to pay the tax on red because of the price difference - at the end of the day , the are going to turn you upside down and shake you to see what drops out of your pockets , and HMCE and IR share a common data base now ......

 

[Dieselman]

I'm NOT disagreeing with you but this is my personal experience:

The person that I know of, had his new (11 months old) car seized had to pay an estimated amount of back revenue, Customs & Excise offered to let him buy back the car at the current Glasses Guide Trade price.

Absolutely. The vehicle is siezed and can be bought back, if not it will be disposed off via an agent if there is sufficient value in the vehicle, if not it can be crushed to stop further use.

 

[fredfloggle]

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/uidaho_rawoils.html

Worth a read before we get too excited about something for nothing

 

[mark.t]

BlackC55

The Police couldn't give a hoot about this but HMRC get VERY pissed off....

If you want to do this you need to register as a fuel producer then you can do it, but the duty is 49.2 pence so it's not economical.
Better to run on Biodiesel at 79.5p duty paid.I can't remember what the maximum fine is but it's not a joke and the cars will be crushed...That might be worth thinking about if you ever venture off your private road.

where's mi can.....bio ..... better than chippy oil if you want to stay on the right side of HMCO ....... tank dipping coming soon in a town near you

 

[crockers]

Will my car run ok on bio diesel?

 

[glojo]

Now that diesel powered cars are proving so popular has the number of roadside checks for cars increased, or is it still the usual tip off that sees the owners caught? I am aware of the random roadside checks but these are usually for HGVs. Is this a good reason for debadging, or should we put on AMG badges?

John the innocent

 

[glojo]

Will my car run ok on bio diesel?

It will invalidate all the Mercedes warranties as per your handbook. It might however work okay.

John

 

[Dieselman]

Now that diesel powered cars are proving so popular has the number of roadside checks for cars increased, or is it still the usual tip off that sees the owners caught? I am aware of the random roadside checks but these are usually for HGVs. Is this a good reason for debadging, or should we put on AMG badges?

John the innocent

If anything I see less dipping but think that's due to the tightening up of red diesel distribution.

It wouldn't surprise me if I get a nudge as my neighbours see me filling from drums...but I'm legit.

 

[big x]

What happens if you put domestic heating oil in a diesel car ?

adam

 

[Dieselman]

What happens if you put domestic heating oil in a diesel car ?

adam

The speed of burn is too fast so produces less power and in extreme conditions could lead to pre detonation.

 

[fredfloggle]

The speed of burn is too fast so produces less power and in extreme conditions could lead to pre detonation.

Kerosene (28 Second Redwood ) might
But Gas oil (35 Second Redwood ) is the same kiddy give or take some bull from the producers .

The lighter distillate will run pretty well in most "normal" diesel engines ( and for that matter , in a lot of petrol engines if they are hot) , though of course no one will consider using un dutied fuel will they ?

Supposedly the new sale regulations of "red" diesel have stopped many excise dodgers using red - the truth is that this is not the case at all , as there is no legal require to provide proof of ID , only to state it at the point of sale - pre packed fuel under a certain quantity is exempt from registration .

 

[fredfloggle]

Now that diesel powered cars are proving so popular has the number of roadside checks for cars increased, or is it still the usual tip off that sees the owners caught? I am aware of the random roadside checks but these are usually for HGVs. Is this a good reason for debadging, or should we put on AMG badges?

John the innocent

In these days of ANPR , you could put a Unigate Dairy sticker on the back and make a whining noise as you drive it - the only possible chance you have is you you have a vehicle where a petrol to diesel engine swap is possible and you don't register the change .

 

[Dieselman]

Kerosene (28 Second Redwood ) might
But Gas oil (35 Second Redwood ) is the same kiddy give or take some bull from the producers .

Oh, sorry. I thought the question related directly to 28 sec heating oil, not 35 sec red diesel..

The lighter distillate will run pretty well in most "normal" diesel engines ( and for that matter , in a lot of petrol engines if they are hot) , though of course no one will consider using un dutied fuel will they ?

This used to be sold as TVO years ago.
The lighter oil will not provide the proper lubrication for a diesel if used without a lubrication additive.

Supposedly the new sale regulations of "red" diesel have stopped many excise dodgers using red - the truth is that this is not the case at all , as there is no legal require to provide proof of ID , only to state it at the point of sale - pre packed fuel under a certain quantity is exempt from registration .

This is why Red (gas oil) is going completely..

Suppliers are definately more wary since they now have to record details of the sale.

 

[mark.t]

If anything I see less dipping but think that's due to the tightening up of red diesel distribution.

It wouldn't surprise me if I get a nudge as my neighbours see me filling from drums...but I'm legit.

i get some funny looks as well when i'am filling from my drum ,but then agian it might help if i take the dress off