Crackdown on DPF removal begins.

[neilrr]

'Thousands' driving without diesel filters

'Thousands' driving without crucial diesel filters

About time IMO.

Also overdue is a crackdown on cat removal & cat gutting, which AFAI can see seems largely to be done so owners can enjoy a wufflier noise out of their tailpipe.

 

[ManiacGT]

Yep, in agreement, about time.

Living in a city, this is very much needed.

 

[fabes]

Will affect some on here, but agree with it, given what we are told pre 'diesel gate' vehicles did chuck out anyway

Wonder what it costs to have one reinstated.....?

 

[Tuercas viejas]

Yes it is about time!
The medical community has known about this for quite some time now but their professional opinions have been stifled at Gov levels .
My daughter now pediatric surgeon, was in Med school in Texas ten years ago (UMTB) cutting up cadavers for anatomy trials and studies
Even then she mentioned that particulates and products from tailpipe emissions were being noted then in lung and brain tissue.

On this side vehicle pollution testing & emissions controls are varied from state to state much as it is across the EU countries.
For example Colorado has a fairly stringent test for petrol powered vehicles but still a rudimentary opacity min /max throttle test on a rolling road for diesels .
The CEL must be operative and seen to go out and conform to a visual on DPF and Cat existence,immaterial of the fact that the internal brick is intact and working.
Neighbouring Wyoming has nothing--Yeh Nowt!
But with only 5 people per sq mile, so I suppose you can understand that!
Now being a State registered emissions repair shop owner I get to go to annual emissions seminars.

When it comes to petrol engined cars the state knows who the polluters are and the brands and models by active drive by tests.
None YET for diesels but it's coming with much more up the test pipe so to speak. In short they are working on it.
Already the Rolling Coal trend has been stopped with a swift clamp down by policing and I can attest to that out on the road doing emission repairs.
One Sprinter van behaving much like Nick's attachment in the fault section of this forum has a patrol up my tail with its lights one .
Cop was nice enough but said as you are a repair shop and getting it fixed no ticket but if you were just a driver going some place I would be writing the ticket right now!

So Yes about time and God is coming!
Tuercas Viejas

 

[bob6600]

Buying a second hand diesel prior to a new, stricter MOT test will be a challenge. Buyers will have no idea if the DPF is present or not unless a thorough inspection is done. Could result in big bills - replacing DPF and mapping it back in

 

[leef44]

ah.. probably explains why sometimes I cross the road after a fairly modern 4x4 diesel and smell the dirty soot (probably sulphur or sulphur dioxide) and I think shouldn't that be cleaner. I didn't realise people were having these taken off. But I guess in Surrey this is more likely due to these cars mainly being used for school runs and not getting enough motorway time to clear the DPF leading to damage which is cheaper to remove than replace.

 

[Deleted member 65149]

I got shot down in flames whenever I criticised members here who posted about removing their DPFs. Sounds like it eventually could be Karma in the form of the large bills I warned them about. I won’t be crying too much for them.

 

[Tuercas viejas]

I can already hear the wallet flush time coming!
Tuercas Viejas

 

[Tuercas viejas]

To add :-
Protection against fine particle-induced pulmonary and systemic inflammation by omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids - ScienceDirect
Tuercas viejas

 

[Steveml63]

Hi,
The real problem is that DPF filters were a bit of a bodge by car manufacturers to clean up otherwise dirty engines - rather than making the engine more efficient in the first place.
It’s well known that they don’t work well with cars that are used for short stop/start journeys and are prone to clogging.
Replacements are also far too expensive - so I would be very wary of buying a secondhand diesel car with a DPF - for fear of a big bill.
Another nail in the coffin for diesel engined cars!
Cheers
Steve

 

[TheFoX]

I could never understand why anyone would buy a diesel for short town trips unless they were misled by the salesman into thinking diesel was the better option. My mother has a diesel which she uses to pop into town or other outlying villages, trips which are usually 6-8 miles. On the weekend we take the car for a nice long ride of about 40 miles to compensate for the shorter journeys during the week.

My neighbour, who drove for a living, decided to buy a Peugot 3008 diesel, and managed to do 8,000 in two years. No wonder his car broke down. He traded it in for a 3008 petrol model which is more suitable for the short trips he does twice a week.

Diesel will pay for itself if used properly, but so will petrol if used properly.

As for DPF removal, there is a thriving market for DPF removal and the government should have been cracking down on this ages ago. This is obviously a blatant attempt at circumventing a measure designed for cleaner emmissions, as is cat removal, and should have been made illegal as soon as the practice appeared.

 

[markjay]

My wife's car does not do much annual mileage, and yet it is a Diesel.... because when we went to look for a 3 years old Kia Soul for her, there wasn't a single petrol-engined Kia in the forecourt.

I suspect that the vast majority of Diesel cars on our roads started their lives as company cars with low BIK.

These cars then found their way into the second-hand car market after two-three years.

This explains the proliferation of Diesel cars used for short journeys.

I guess that incentivising motorist to buy Diesel cars to help reach the UK's CO2 emissions targets sounded like a good idea at the time.

 

[st13phil]

As for DPF removal, there is a thriving market for DPF removal and the government should have been cracking down on this ages ago. This is obviously a blatant attempt at circumventing a measure designed for cleaner emmissions, as is cat removal, and should have been made illegal as soon as the practice appeared.

I think you'll find that it has always been illegal to use a vehicle that has the emissions control equipment removed or defeated. As always, the problem is not a lack of law to deal with the matter, rather it's that there is inadequate enforcement of the law that's already in place.

 

[Alex225]

I could never understand why anyone would buy a diesel for short town trips unless they were misled by the salesman into thinking diesel was the better option.

Ignorance on both parts I suspect mate.

Salesmen promoting diesels as cleaner and cheaper to run based on what everyone has been thinking and saying. Including the government.

To be honest people don’t understand it even now. Friends looked at buying a new car last year. Town drivers mainly yet opted for a low mileage diesel C-Max anyway. This was after the DPF failed on one they test drove initially!

I don’t agree with the whole DPF removal thing in terms of what the car throws out when done. That said I can see why people have done it. In good faith you but a diesel because you think it’s a good idea, good fuel economy, cheaper tax because it’s apparently better for the environment.

You get 20k in to ownership from doing 4 years of short trips and land a £1500 bill. That’s pretty gutting for an owner who was none the wiser. If someone says “oh you don’t need that so we’ll skoop the inside of the DPF out for £400” I can see why people would do it. Obviously there will be those that know full well what they’re up too of course.

 

[Steveml63]

Hi,
The big threat would be to buy a two and a half year old diesel that has had the DPF removed before you bought the car.
This could be discovered at the first MOT and leave you with an eye-watering bill for a replacement DPF.
Cheers
Steve

 

[neilrr]

Should the forum stop / ban / delete threads like this?
Catless e63 downpipes and MOT fail?

I wonder too what the forum is doing promoting a business & accepting advertising from a company who's reason for being seems largely to defeat anti pollution laws?

MSL Performance The UK’s No.1 For Modified & Performance Car Parts & DPF REMOVAL

 

[clk320x]

Should the forum stop / ban / delete threads like this?
Catless e63 downpipes and MOT fail?

I wonder too what the forum is doing promoting a business & accepting advertising from a company who's reason for being seems largely to defeat anti pollution laws?

MSL Performance The UK’s No.1 For Modified & Performance Car Parts & DPF REMOVAL

Oh god here we go again.

BTW your point about cat removal, most people on here only delete secondary cats and the cars still pass emissions anyway...

 

[markmifsud]

As long as MSL add the caveat that CAT/DPF removal is for off road use then they are not assiting anyone in breaking the law?

 

[grober]

Buying a second hand diesel prior to a new, stricter MOT test will be a challenge. Buyers will have no idea if the DPF is present or not unless a thorough inspection is done. Could result in big bills - replacing DPF and mapping it back in

For prospective buyers there will be a crucial "period of introduction" of the stricter test where cars will have a valid MOT test certificate done under the old system but their next test will be under the new stricter regulations with potential expensive failure if any mods had been done previously. Once any stricter test has been introduced for a couple of years the chances of coming across a rogue car* in the vehicle population will surely be minimised?? For a time specialist decatting/dpf removal firms might even benefit from new business reconstituting modded exhaust systems back to their original or better specifications so maybe not all bad news for them!
* there may well be a case just after the new stricter test is introduced to ask for the seller for evidence of an NEW REGS MOT prior to buying?

 

[KennyN]

I could never understand why anyone would buy a diesel for short town trips.

Because the only option i had if i wanted a CLS W219 was a diesel , or the CLS63 which were are rare as rocking horse poo when i was looking for one.

Buying new you have a choice , buying used then your choices are very limited and to be fair to the MB DPF`s i have had no issues at all bearing in mind i am doing a 2.5mile stop - start commute.

Kenny