OK, I know its emotive and have had similar debates before at great length as to if the punishment fits the crime (Ronnie Biggs etc). Today’s news that the pair of little s###s that tortured, sexually abused and beat to within an inch of their lives a pair of young lads, have been handed an indeterminate sentence, to be no less than 5 years!! , is, I feel, frankly Outrageous. When they are considered ‘reformed’ and no longer a danger they can be released. Like the killers of Jamie Bulger before them, we are no doubt going to afford them the same luxury of bed, board and one to one tuition, the likes of which we could only get for ‘our’ children if we had sufficient incomes to pay for a private education or boarding school. They will no doubt on their release incur the taxpayer further considerable expense as they are given new identities and provided with social housing. What deterrent is this, and what message does it send to other dysfunctional families and young thugs? Even given their age, should they not be facing the prospect of 15 years minimum?