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Would UK be ready for a new petrol car ban in 2030?
The BBC understands the government is set to announce it will bring 2040's ban forward by a decade.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Would UK be ready for a new petrol car ban in 2030?
The BBC understands the government is set to announce it will bring 2040's ban forward by a decade.www.bbc.co.uk
Hmmmm. 10 years to increase our electricity supply. Or maybe they have been suckered by Toyota's ridcuous 'self charging hybrid' nonsense.
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Hybrids, whether 'self-charging' or plug-in charging will be banned 5 yrs after normal ICE cars.
Not sure what is 'ridiculous' about the self-charging hybrid? It describes precisely what it does?
It's ridiculous terminology because it's unecessary - and implies that there is something new or magical about what is in effect a conventional hybrid.
It's about as relevant as suddenly calling the cars in their range ''night-illuminating" because they have headlights.
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No it merely states what it does...and clearly separates itself from phev.
and no suggestions of new black magic technology.
Just my view.
and no suggestions of new black magic technology.
Just my view.
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At the moment, self-charging seems to mean you’ll get 5-10 miles on the battery so it does bugger all.
EV, hybrid, hydrogen, ICE? The industry experts can’t agree on any of it so what chance have we?
Place your bets...
EV, hybrid, hydrogen, ICE? The industry experts can’t agree on any of it so what chance have we?
Place your bets...
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No, it doesn't mean bugger-all. It means you get electric support during town/urban driving without having to plug the car in to recharge.
I'd would say the Toyota/Lexus ';self-charging hybrids are super efficient Stop/Start systems. Certainly never considered long distance/high speed electric propulsion.
The new generation Lexus UX and ES and the Toyota CHR are stretching their electric credentials a bit more.
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I wonder what they will do with regards to VED? Surely the loss of all that income 10 years earlier than originally planned will the offset somewhere else?
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Expect VED increases on hybrids and full EVs. As you say HMG can't forego income
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Scrappage scheme needs to start fairly soon with best part of 1,500,000,000 cars to get rid of.
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Exactly. As this move from ICE to EV is to prevent climate change they need to scrap one existing ICE car before they can build one new EV car. Like for like. Anything else is just wasting finite resources and will be detrimental to the environment.
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Dickster
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I’ve, perhaps ignorantly, considered it a sales gimmic.
ok so it will give you 5-10 miles on a full charge, but how long does it take to get a full charge ?
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Very true. We’ve never bought new and tend to keep our cars indefinitely.
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Oh, I think it is a sales gimmick to a certain extent.
My RC300h will, on a warm summers day with everything at operating temps, give at max 2 miles on pure EV. In winter, considerably less.
It will revert to ICE as soon as one accelerates above 20mph. It can 'coast' on EV at speeds above 40mph as long as there is no throttle input or uphill gradient.
The traction battery will never fully recharge under ICE power as it will leave 30-40% for regenerative braking. I can recharge from 50% to max by gently braking on the 1/2 miles downhill to my house.
I'm getting 43-45mpg around town, urban drives. On higher speed A roads and motorways it drops to low to mid 30's
Before we get to 2030 most cars will be at least 12 volt hybrids anyway. It's a relatively cheap for manufacturers to add a starter/generator with a small battery and call the car a hybrid to get the extra 5 years. I think it's just as well that the government backed down and allowed hybrids some grace otherwise we could have had a chaotic situation after 2030 with an automotive industry unable to supply demand for EV's. In the event they could supply, I suspect it would have been an open invitation for China to get a much bigger foot hold in the market.
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Never know, it might persuade some folk that they don't actually need a new car every 3 years. Now that would be good for the environment. Well, not good as such, just less bad.
And do bear in mind, it's just sales of new, it doesn't mean all ICE cars will be removed from the road come January 1st 2030
And do bear in mind, it's just sales of new, it doesn't mean all ICE cars will be removed from the road come January 1st 2030
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Mmmm, that’s pretty impressive around town mileage. I never thought of it that way.
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IF......... If we are suggesting that petrol and diesel cars are the cause of climate change then boy, how stupid can we all be??? In the 1st century, vikings used to live in Greenland, but because there were no ice powered verhicles at that time, those poor vikings had to move out as the climate changed and it got way too cold. All due to the lack of diesel and petrol powered vehicles. (get it? ice powered vehicles, brrrrr)
The 15th century was one of the very hottest on record, so I guess by then the world was over-run with these horrid ICE powered 'horses' Or was it the methane emitted from all the tree-hugging veggie eaters?
Now, here in the 21st century we have the mayor of London and I believe the mayor of Manchester both saying their cities will be carbon neutral in the foreseeable future. BUT........ If anyone dares to read the small print, they will find that aircraft are exempt from their studies!!! Aircraft where each one burns over a ton of fuel just taxiing from the gateway to the runway, then of course as they fly over our cities climbing from ground level, their engines are guzzling this 'diesel' (kerosene, a derivative of paraffin and these fuels being a derivative diesel) and none of them have catalytic converters, and no aircraft is EU6 compliant
. So is going electric going to alter the change of our climate that we are all experiencing? Did king Kanute stop the tide from coming in?
Are we being manipulated to fall in line with the latest fashion trend?
Yup, lets all buy an all electric powered car and then enjoy the nice views in our motorway service areas where we all wait in orderly queues, just waiting for a spare 'plug' to fill up our vehicles with a bucket full of volts which may take 30 minutes or even longer to fill and then travel another 200 miles before we repeat the same procedure.
No votes for this crazy suggestion
Oh, and yes I am buying a hybrid
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I think the plan is to tax all ICE cars off the roads in the next 10 years. Throwing away perfectly functional ICE vehicles so we are forced to consume a new "green" EV.
I see a future when we will have many more cars stranded at the roadside having run out of electricity. How are they going to be dealt with, the friendly AA/RAC man with a can of fuel isn't going to work, or are they going to park up alongside and run a generator for 30 minutes or whatever.
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