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Diesel Economy Experiment

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This is one that might interest some of you, I have just taken on some work with VW Motorsport for the summer which will see them run some diesel performance cars in one of their race series. Anyway yesterday I met with one of the race engineers who will be responsible for this programme and we all got talking about modern Diesels and how good the economy was. Matt the VAG engineer had worked on everything from the Audi Le Mans car to the Seat BTCC car and apparently is well known for his skill in remapping diesel engines and he reckons the maps are so generic on modern diesels there is always room for about a 10% improvement in economy and up to 30% Improvement in power. He also reckons that some of the newer plug and play tuning boxes on the scene can give very close to a remap at a fraction of the cost. Now a few of our clients cars have the Kleeman KD box or the Brabus D6 and one BMW has a Spider Diesel Tuning box all of which have made big gains in performance and economy but are not cheap. Matt reckons there is no difference between a good cheap end box and an expensive high end model, if you know what you are looking for, just the ammount of profit the manufactuers want to make is the governing factor.

So we felt a challenge coming on, my Volvo V50 1.6d DRIVe work wagon is supposed to have had it's ECU optimised by Volvo to give maximum economy and over the last 6000 miles its average mpg over a very mixed bag of motoring is 59. 8 mpg which I think is excellent.

We challanged Matt to pick a tuning box for < £200 that would improve my cars economy when used for a 1 month period. After this period we then challenged him to remove the tuning box and remap my car and again run another month and compare results.

He came back this afternoon and this is the box he has chosen.

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Its made and designed in the UK, not generic and is fully adjustable cost £199 he will fit this to my car next weekend and set it up for maximum economy.

So we thought we better get a baseline and put the car on the dyno, well here came the first big shock. According to Volvo the engine spec should be.

109 PS @ 4000 rpm and 240 Nm torque @ 1750 rpm with combined fuel economy of 62.8 mpg

Our Volvo dyno'd at

118 PS @ 4140 rpm and 267 Nm @ 1787 rpm and fuel economy to date 59.8 mpg

So it looks as though we already have a sweet engine.

Just thought I would let you know about our little experiment and will provide you regular updates.

All comments and thoughts welcome as always.
 
Did he have any comments regarding EGT and will it be possible to monitor this.?
 
I see you are in Yorkshire, if you want to run a similar experiment with a merc diesel let me know :)
 
Did he have any comments regarding EGT and will it be possible to monitor this.?

Never asked about EGT, but will drop him a mail, not sure how easy this would be to measure as guess you would need to install a thermocouple somewhere in the exhaust manifold which I presume would need modifying to accept it. The car will be running with a datalogger permanently so if its an easy one to measure guess we could include it. Will consult and let you know.
 
This will be interesting.
One of the tuners I spoke to a while ago said that most of the Mercedes engines they dyno-ed were also putting out more power as standard than MB claimed they had.

Russ
 
While on the diesel mpg thing, does the oil used to lubricate the turbos in anyway affect the mpg of the cars as some of it does get sucked into the combustion chambers, and diesels only use compression to ignite so can run on the oil as if.
Sort of like a mini runaway? especially in high performance diesels
 
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The turbo shouldn't be passing any oil otherwise the risk of runaway is very real.
Many diesels don't use any oil after the initial run in period.
 
So we felt a challenge coming on, my Volvo V50 1.6d DRIVe work wagon is supposed to have had it's ECU optimised by Volvo to give maximum economy and over the last 6000 miles its average mpg over a very mixed bag of motoring is 59. 8 mpg which I think is excellent.

Well, Volvo certainly have done something pretty trick there, my standard C30 1.6D with 20k on the clock averages 56.1 mpg, and it's smaller than the V50, I'll watch with interest.
 
Update 1

As planned tuning box was fitted at the weekend after first been checked over by Matt to make sure there were no stupid parameters in there. The box has to undergo a period of learning for 500 miles so we won't dyno the car until after this which will probably be this weekend.

I will also post the photos of the box and harness and the install photos as soon as I download them off the camera.

First Impressions? It's a different car a lot more torquey, definitely quicker and it's made the gearing more flexible, before where I was changing down to 3rd I can now stay in 4th.

Will be ready to fill the tank tomorrow but at the moment the fuel computer is showing 64.9 mpg, If that is correct (which from experience its always been about 0.3 mpg high) then thats a 8.5% improvement in economy. But as the mpg usually gets better as the fuel load comes down, by the time I fill up tomorrow I would expect it to be over 65mpg. Which will take it very close to the 10% Improvement Matt said he could get and this is during the learning run in cycle.

Will post more and the photos tomorrow.
 
Interesting reading, thanks for the update.
Is there a risk that the warmer weather will add noise to your experimenmt?
 
i've been thinking of getting my c270 cdi remapped/tuning box but i'm too scared this will put pressure on the turbo + parts. I could do with that little extra ooomph
 
Interesting reading, thanks for the update.
Is there a risk that the warmer weather will add noise to your experimenmt?

Yeah we did worry about that, the dyno figures will obviously have a temp asscociated with them, but you are quite correct as the weather warms up the economy should improve anyway. During the test we'll take the daily average temps from the nearest weather station off the met office website and factor them in, also in a months time we will remove the box and Matt will do a full remap, that will put us into May where it could be significantly warmer than the Feb/ March temps. But at the end of May or end of the remap we will put the car back to standard and do another control run to compare again, keeping an eye on daily temperatures
 
As planned tuning box was fitted at the weekend after first been checked over by Matt to make sure there were no stupid parameters in there. The box has to undergo a period of learning for 500 miles so we won't dyno the car until after this which will probably be this weekend.

I will also post the photos of the box and harness and the install photos as soon as I download them off the camera.

First Impressions? It's a different car a lot more torquey, definitely quicker and it's made the gearing more flexible, before where I was changing down to 3rd I can now stay in 4th.

Will be ready to fill the tank tomorrow but at the moment the fuel computer is showing 64.9 mpg, If that is correct (which from experience its always been about 0.3 mpg high) then thats a 8.5% improvement in economy. But as the mpg usually gets better as the fuel load comes down, by the time I fill up tomorrow I would expect it to be over 65mpg. Which will take it very close to the 10% Improvement Matt said he could get and this is during the learning run in cycle.

Will post more and the photos tomorrow.

Make sure that you measure the MPG by emptying tank and then filling up and calculating it yourself, don't believe the trip as some boxes will fool sensors and as such think that it is doing better than it actually is and so give incorrect MPG figures on the cars computer. Otherwise interesting experiment..
 
Make sure that you measure the MPG by emptying tank and then filling up and calculating it yourself, don't believe the trip as some boxes will fool sensors and as such think that it is doing better than it actually is and so give incorrect MPG figures on the cars computer.

Quite correct. It could be upto 50% error round town, less on cruise.
 
Quite correct. It could be upto 50% error round town, less on cruise.

Always do my MPG calcs on tank to tank as its the only true way. The original 59.8mpg figure was all tank to tank calculated (e.g. Miles driven by Actual fuel used) Over this distance the computer was reading about 0.3 mpg high, will be interesting to see if this changes with the addittion of the box.
 
very interesting, looking forward to the update on this and finding out the cost/availability of the box you've used.
 

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