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There was a poster having a right bitch about new threads quoting news stories and speculating over the content, hope he doesn't open this thread!
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As people age their mobility also takes a dive and often a car can be lifeline to get to the supermarket or medical appointments for example, particularly in areas not adequately served by public transport. Taking away older drivers ability to drive a car with some form of blanket ban may be taking away their independence placing an increasing burden on the state/social services . So a proportionate response is what is required. Banging up the odd miscreant after they inadevertently kill someone isn't really going to address the problem???
Fully agree.Alf Barnet said:Lifeline maybe, but the lying ******* just stole someone else's lifeline. 20 year anniversary retests for everyone, roads safer, government coffers full - what's not to like?
They are also caused by silly, stupid old people who are too arrogant to admit that they are a danger on the road.geraldrobins said:The trouble is that accidents are caused by carelessness, arrogance, inappropriate speed etc, so I doubt a retest would make much difference to these reasons. How many accidents are caused by lack of driving knowledge? I suspect very few.
They are also caused by silly, stupid old people who are too arrogant to admit that they are a danger on the road.
Can't wait to see Rolf Harris out in public again. Might even have a beer with him, maybe he can bring Ian Huntley along as well.Rayny said:Imprisonment is meant for rehabilitation, not for revenge.
Westerham: Sentencing of elderly driver David Lord for killing grandmother in Costa Coffee crash
I post this here as I struggle with the "Sentence" given out.
Had the accused stood up day 1 and pleaded guilty, having said, It was me, I got confused! Then I could maybe understand the thinking behind this sentence.
But he dd not. He repeatedly lied about what had happened, blaming the car, a medical episode, another distraction etc.
I cannot help but think what if this were a younger man in the dock? It changes nothing, I know but?
No-one in court is telling a perfectly pitched "honest" story.
The English legal system Prosecution and Defence "game" exaggerates both sides and the Judge (and sometimes jury) comes to a conclusion.
We all want revenge for a loss. Can we forgive an "honest" mistake in the elderly, or should we just stop people from driving before they "might" make a mistake? (65/75/85 *)
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And ignorance is no defence.geraldrobins said:An honest mistake should be treated depending on the circumstances irrespective of age surely.
This old chestnut, confusing the accelerator for the brake is wearing a bit thin, not only have they mistook one for the other, they then fail to put right the wrong, by becoming more "confused", and pressing harder on the wrong pedal.What nonsense is this? If you make a mistake of such potential disastrous consequence, and then compound it by being unable to take the correct action to put it right you should not be driving. Problem is, by the time this is realised its too late.
Your fault then ;^)Society is full of different characters. Some are honest and some are deceitful.
It is true to say that if someone spends their life lying and cheating to get what they want in life, then this trait will follow them in to old age. If someone is a thug or bully, then it is also fair to say that they will carry those traits in to old age in some measure of their former self.
What I am saying here is that any one of us could have an accident as a pensioner, but it would take a devious sort of person, someone who probably spent their entire life lying and cheating to get on in life, to lie about what caused an accident that had claimed the life of another.
Most of us would say sorry, but some will blame everyone and everything but themselves. I actually work with a few people who see no fault in themselves, but with everyone else around them. After all, it's never their fault.
Just because someone is old and frail does not mean that they cannot still be devious and conniving.
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