E55 v RS6 v M5

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  1. Guy

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    Video review - but the commentary is in German...

    Lots of bananas for anyone who can translate the verdict!<img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/banana.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bannana:'>

    My O level German is not standing me in very good stead!

    Enjoy.

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    Wish i could translate... <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

    I know german would never help, even if i took it for 7 years or so...
     
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    Translation (summary):

    Acceleration: M5 better than RS6, AMG winner overall
    Slalom: M5 vs RS6 even, E55 worser
    Brakes: RS6 Best (37m), AMG 2 (38m), M5 Last (39m).

    Interior: Excellent chairs in the E55 AMG, nice for lateral forces and also extremely comofrtable on longer rides. RS6: Not as exclusive, more slippery A joy to change gears in the M5. Comfortable on longer journeys

    AMG is crowned to the best high speed limousine, but the M5 is the best on the track
     
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    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Acceleration: M5 better than RS6, AMG winner overall
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    Cheers  <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

    Do your talents know no limits?

    In the video, it looked as though the M5 won on acceleration - which I found hard to believe!

    It seems to be the case that BMW usually gets the vote on the track. The C32 v M3 argument is another example; C32 wins real world, M3 wins track test.

    Each to his own! But after 9 months and 7000 miles, the C32 is still faultless, and feels like the best and fastest car I ever had.

    Sooo tempted by the E55 in a couple of years though  <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>
     
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    True, BMW always seem to get the nod on no matter what review is published.

    I also have the video available for download if anyone wants it - no broken streaming!
     
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    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I also have the video available for download if anyone wants it - no broken streaming!
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    Yes please!

    Any chance of you doing subtitles? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

    Cheers Matt.
     
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    Thanks Matt.

    Where I am there is no broadband connection available ( old telephone exchange) so its great to have the video available in full, without pauses and drops.

    Thanks again, much appreciated.
     
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    Arrrggghhh

    Real media file....cant stand real media, refuse to download it so I will have to live in the dark I guess. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>
     
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    Thanks Matt
    Can't afford the E55, my dream car when the Lottery comes in, I will have to settle for second best that I can just afford.
    The new E320 CDI Avantgarde that I now have on order, although my dealer is having a hard time getting new E class diesels at the moment, and my order will not be available until March 2003. I ordered it in May 2002 for Jan 2003 delivery. Urgh...... &nbsp; <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wallbash.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bash:'>
     
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    It'll be worth the wait Brian....every test I've read the car excels!

    I must admit I haven't read a diesel test yet, but that engine is awesome. We have the older 300TD.

    Passing the DFS (furniture) factory near Matlock today, a new E class was emerging - Reg was DFS 1.

    Wonder when he ordered his?
     
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    Thanks for support for my choice.
    E320 CDI official figures from MB are:-
    204hp
    500 Nm/rpm Torque ------Yes 500
    151mph max
    0-62.5 = 8.3 sec
    40.9 average mpg.
    207 g/km CO2 emission

    Not bad eh??? <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/banana.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bannana:'>
     
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    Hi Brian,

    Did you order any options with the car?
    My father really wants one of the diesel new E-class's, but it's my mum he has to convince!
     
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    Translation from bmwM5.com:
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    SPEED LIMOS IN THE COMPARISON:
    RS6 AGAINST M5 AGAINST E55

    They are to connect extreme sportiness with the advantages of large travel sedans. The new Mercedes E55 AMG with 476 HP meets the AUDI RS6 with 450 and the BMW M5 with 400 horse power.

    First extreme examination: The 360 meter Slalomparcours.

    360 METER SLALOM COURSE, SPRINT STRENGTH &amp; ROAD PERFORMANCE

    E55 AMG: The 360 meter Slalomparcours: Not the Mercedes Domaeme: Reason: After approximately 200 meters the servo support diminishes, which hardens steering element. Only with trouble the E55 can be directed then still around the suspension pylons. Without ESP it is only difficult for very experienced pilots to control and demands the driver visibly.

    What keeps the Mercedes in track however is its parade discipline. Brachial presses the 5.5 litres of V8-Kompressor the Mercedes forward. From zero on one hundred only 4.8 seconds, speed 200 offense already reach it after 14.6 seconds. Topspeed: 250 km/h - electronically abgeregelt. With the Mercedes braked on the average 38 meters from one hundred on zero needs.

    RS6: The AUDI RS6 makes the best impression in the Slalomparcours. Owing to its very direct and precise steering element he completes the hardness test very easy. With its all-wheel drive the AUDI krallt itself formally into the asphalt. Even with switched off ESP it shines by outstanding traction.

    With the road performance measurements the RS6 misses however the factory specifications. In the print of kind of condition on 100 it needs 5.5 seconds. Until speed 200 is reached, further 12 seconds offense. Also the Ingolstaedter is electronically abgeregelt with 250 km/h. In astonishes the AUDI braked, although with 1915 Kilos the heaviest in the test it stands on the average after 37 meters.

    M5: On the Slalomparcours also the BMW feels well. It remains always well controllable - with or without electronic driving assistance. The frontier is well it mobile. The steering element, similarly as those of the AUDI, very precisely. It does not harden also after many track switchings.

    For the Sprint on 100 the BMW needs 5.3 seconds, however the experienced driver reaches this value only without electronic aids. DSC robs too much achievement from the engine. Despite nominal lowest HP number, of 50 less than with the AUDI, he lies in keeps in track in such a way before the RS6. In the delay the resident of Munich keeps up not completely with the competition. Its braking distance on the average: 39 meters - readjusting ABS causes the property against it by: The to be dosedness of the brake.

    VISUAL DESIGN AND ENGINE CHARACTERISTICS
    The three strongest German sport sedans. Everyone for itself a genuine Hingucker.

    E55 AMG: The newest in the federation: the Mercedes Benz AMG E55. The strongest e-class of all times. Imposant the tail. Four final pipes and a again-formed tail apron. The interior used generously and nobly. The sport seats are not only offered to exzellenten side stop, also on long distances sits very comfortably. The steering wheel is pleasantly griffig. To switch the driver can also over buttons at the steering wheel back. The 8 cylinders compressor carries 476 HP out. Its torque is with sumptuous 700 Newtonmeters.

    RS6: The AUDI works bullish and aggressively. It stands alternatively on 18 or 19 Wheels. R-S 6 emblem, the two oval final pots and the tail spoiler is witness of unrestrained strength. The interior works - by the pappel wood inserts - not completely as high-quality as with Mercedes and BMW. The actually good Recaro of sport seats suffers slightly by the too smooth leather purchase - offer somewhat little stop. Well: The broad switching jacks at the steering wheel. The heart of the RS 6: a Biturbo. The deeply grummelnde Bi-turbo carries 450 HP and 560 Newtonmeters out torque.

    M5: One saw oneself not yet full: at the fastest fuenfer. In the back it stands on 275'er rollers. In the BMW it means: clean-set and probably-feel. Also at long-distance comfort it does not lack it. Desire-fully one zappt oneself by the six courses. The 5 litres suction engine brings 400 HP and 500 Newtonmeters to torque. Over the entire number of revolutions volume it tightens nearly greedily.

    WINDING RACING COURSE
    E55 AMG: The bear-strong Mercedes pushes its propulsion principle with rapid pace on the racing course to the borders. Its ESP brakes the driving joy, without the centrifuge brake is controllable it only for very experienced pilots. The guidance angle is here larger than with the competition. On long distances however the E55 drives itself silk-softly.

    RS6: The AUDI lies on the Handlingparcours as on rails. It behaves easily under-steering to neutral. It from the trace to throw, is nearly impossible. Owing to its special DRC of absorption system mentioned it develops only very small side inclination. It unfolds its strength completely without turbo lag.

    M5: Also the BMW offers a nearly perfect handling for sportily ambitionierte pilots. On the handling course the well co-ordinated switch makes for special fun. Easily unsteuernd into the curve purely and easily overriding again raus. Preset DSC is switched off. Additional praise gives for the steering element.

    RESULT OF THE COMPARISON
    M5: The BMW M5 is a sportsman of old school. Suction engine, transmissions and chassis prepare - with or without ESP much fun.

    RS6: With the AUDI RS6 convince brakes, chassis, steering element and traction without reservation. In the road performances it can keep up however not completely with the competition.

    E55 AMG: The engine of the E55 AMG is the Non plus Ultra, the Mercedes is the high-speed travel sedan. With him the electronics aids are however nearly indispensable, for the racing course are not made he.

    There is the BMW starting from 74.500 euro, the AUDI starting from 86.500 euro and for the Mercedes must at least 87,580 euro be put down.


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    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Brian WH @ Oct. 23 2002,17:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Can't afford the E55, my dream car when the Lottery comes in, I will have to settle for second best that I can just afford.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
    lottery? &nbsp;How much is your new car going to cost you?

    from autotrader:
    1998 R Reg Mercedes-benz E-Class E55 AMG MA Carriage Petrol, Azurite Blue metallic, Saloon, 36,000 miles , 4 Doors. ABS, Air Bag, Air-Conditioning, Alarm, Alloy Wheels, Anti-Lock Brakes, Automatic Transmission, Body Coloured Bumpers, Central Door Locking. £22,995

    23 grand is not exactly lottery winner terratory <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

    This however is much more interesting:

    1998 &nbsp;MERCEDES BENZ E430 Avantgarde Auto, &nbsp; 1998, silver with grey leather, alloy wheels, climate control, PDC etc, please ring for full details, 41,000 miles with full history, full dealer facilities. £13,995

    14 grand for a 4 year old E430 with average mileage? <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
     
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    BARGAIN!!!

    If it wern't the tight time of the year, that would be a brilliant car, to buy to sell.

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    I bought my 98R E430 Elegance (45,000 miles) privately for £11,000 last month. It has full history (and had just had its 4 year MAJOR service). I bought a 4 year (Warrantywise) wear and tear warranty for another £1500. I cannot believe how much car I've got for the money!
     
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    Shude - I was talking about affording New Cars not someones seconds. To my spec not theirs. Although a second-hand E55 might be tempting, I went for a New E320 CDI @ £35k.
    Maff - Tell your dad to get the brochure for the New E Class. You don't neeed many extras with the Avantgarde Spec. All I went for was the 6 X CD player, Tealite Paint with Light Grey Leather Seats.
    I can't wait till March. <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/banana.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bannana:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/banana.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bannana:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/banana.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bannana:'>
     
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    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Brian WH @ Oct. 25 2002,15:0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Shude - I was talking about affording New Cars not someones seconds. To my spec not theirs. Although a second-hand E55 might be tempting, I went for a New E320 CDI @ £35k.
    Maff - Tell your dad to get the brochure for the New E Class. You don't neeed many extras with the Avantgarde Spec. All I went for was the 6 X CD player, Tealite Paint with Light Grey Leather Seats.
    I can't wait till March. <!--emo&amp;:bannana:  :bannana:  :bannana:</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
    The trouble with my way of thinking is- how much more of a better car could I have got for my £35K if I got something a year or two old (little used and well cared for of course)?


    EDIT: I know we are talking MB's not Lexus' but £35K later and you still have to add the 6 disc CD Changer. LOL.
     
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    Who cares I'm happy. <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/banana.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bannana:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/banana.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':bannana:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
    You can keep the Lexus <img src="http://www.mbclub.co.uk/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/slayer.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rock:'>
     
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