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e63 5.5 parts costs

DavidL

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s203 C55, x218 CLS63
I'm now starting to seriously consider swapping the e55 for a 5.5 estate. Are there any parts that are horrendously expensive? I'm thinking like the 6.2 brake sets, that sort of thing.
I expect amg costs but I'm looking for the odd random wallet emptier.
They will have air suspension (does it have abc?) but what about brakes - I know it isn't sbc but does it have something similar?
I'll be looking at 13/14 plates 50k ish and with as many toys as I can get!
Do the S versions have any other expensive parts unique to them?
Thanks all.
David
 
I have a 2014 Saloon, the only thing that has been an expense so far was pads and discs all around @ £1600. Car has done 37k now and it has also had its complete rear suspension replaced (airbags, compressor and valve) by MB under warranty, I would hate to think what that would have cost if I had to pay myself!

Other than that I believe they are fairly robust cars.
 
I think the brakes are the same on the 6.2 and 5.5 cars, fairly expensive for discs but then again how often do you change them? No SBC brakes or anything like that on this model of course. Quite a few MB parts suppliers are competitive for original brake parts through eBay etc anyway which could help. You’ll get change out of £1000 and then just need to get them fitted.

Tyre condition is probably equally as important - a set of decent quality tyres is likely to set you back £800 or so anyway? Likewise check the condition of the alloy wheels - later cars (ie facelifts) get the cheaper cast alloy wheels which are more prone to cracks and buckles I understand. The S-model gets the forged wheels which were optional on the other cars.

Generally they’re fairly tough cars although I think Dennis was unlucky with his. Maintained properly you don’t generally hear of too many problems although there is a few M157 issues to be aware of. Plenty of threads on here/google/YouTube etc - they’ve been around long enough for most things to come out of the woodwork now. Perhaps look at buying with a decent warranty for peace or mind, at least until you’re certain the car is sound.

No ABC on these cars, that’s the hydraulic system. And there’s only air self levelling at the rear, it’s not full airmatic as per the 211 AMGs. I had both rear airbags replaced under warranty on my very low mileage car which would have cost me £500 each side plus fitting - around £1400 total otherwise. I don’t think the compressor is too expensive and other than the valve block and the associated pipe work there’s not a lot more to it.

I wouldn’t discount a very nice 6.2, they sound so much nicer than the 5.5, and are more characterful as an engine. Neither are quite the same as the old school 113K engine and 5-speed box of course :cool:
 
Thanks. I did a quick check on ecp for brakes on a 5.5 and the parts didn't seem that much more than the e55 which are extremely reasonable for that sort of car. I'll investigate further. I will read about the engine issues and then it will just be a case of seeing what comes up. I wouldn't mind a cls either so we shall see.
 
I've found a better choice of discs on Autodoc and you can cross reference the original part numbers better.
As far as I can see, there are three choices of front discs that will technically fit our cars,
1. A single piece disc which is significantly cheaper than the other two

2. A two piece disc with a black bell ( Brembo )
Brake Disc BREMBO TWO-PIECE FLOATING DISCS LINE with screws, Two-piece Brake Disc, Coated, High-carbon, Internally Vented, Slotted / Perforated — item: 09.9764.23. Buy now!

3. A two piece design as found as standard on our cars
Brake discs MERCEDES-BENZ E-Class T-modell (S212) E 63 AMG 5.5 (212.275) 585 HP » low prices
 
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Thanks. I did a quick check on ecp for brakes on a 5.5 and the parts didn't seem that much more than the e55 which are extremely reasonable for that sort of car. I'll investigate further.

What I was trying to say earlier is I don’t think it’s a case of ‘discs for a 5.5’ - it will be discs for a 212 E63, regardless of the engine type. Unlike the 211 5.4 vs. 6.2 which had different brakes with the change in engine format, the 212 E63 doesn’t.

In other words, the brakes for the 5.5 cars are the same as the expensive 6.2 cars you’d heard about, both 211 and 212 are the same! :)
 
I suppose it make sense that a 212 amg model would run the same brakes regardless of engine apart from maybe the performance packages. It would depend if the hub design changed especially with the 14 plate facelift.
Ah well if you want the car you pay the prices.
I did read the full story of the rather unfortunate e55bof - rather worrying but hopefully (for us not him sadly) a relatively unique situation.
Not that you can have relatively unique..
 
Thanks. I did a quick check on ecp for brakes on a 5.5 and the parts didn't seem that much more than the e55 which are extremely reasonable for that sort of car. I'll investigate further. I will read about the engine issues and then it will just be a case of seeing what comes up. I wouldn't mind a cls either so we shall see.
Sometimes ECP will quote for none AMG models when you do a search, so can be confusing.

For front and rear discs and pads you can normally get everything for around £1200-£1400 if you shop around.
 
"I think the brakes are the same on the 6.2 and 5.5 cars, fairly expensive for discs but then again how often do you change them?"

Fair point, but DavidL did explain what his purchase was going to be and what mileage, and like my E63S, it's a relevant question. I've just had a full set priced for mine from a local MB specialist that suggested he would use only MB parts, and the brake components came to £2k + £0.5k fitted. Imho, this IS to be considered when making a purchase.
As for the other comment about which sounds nicer, my 5.5 bi-t sounds amazing (backed up by numerous friends, family and colleagues, petrolheads and not), and I still smile broadly every time I drive it. No regrets here, but it is a super saloon of the finest ilk, and so if you want the best then you may have to pay for it.
Keep us posted! :)
 
Of course it’s a relevant question, I was just clarifying to the OP that the discs for the 6.2 cars which he’d heard of that were horrendously expensive (in his words :)), are the same ones as on the 5.5 cars he’s considering :thumb:

I’m pretty sure the discs on your S model are no different to a regular 212 ‘63, so you might want to shop around a bit as you can buy a full set of front and rear genuine original MB discs and pads (from MB main dealers on eBay) for less than £1500 delivered. The saving would pay for your labour costs although I suspect you could get them fitted for less than £500 too :cool:

Sound is subjective but I think the 6.2 engines are quite well regarded for their character and soundtrack.

I’ve had both and currently run a M157 - other than a noisy cold start it doesn’t really do a lot for me, a bit muted other than a bit of turbo whoosh and the usual woofley exhaust note. I compared my own 6.2 E63 estate to a 5.5S model last year. And another 5.5 E63 I see regularly driving around locally - they sound nothing like a 6.2 NA engine, sorry :D
 
Hi Will, interesting prices for parts you quote there, and I fully intend to shop around before I commit. I'm not quite worn out, yet, but do appreciate the heads up, as it's still a lump of money to me.

And you don't need to apologise or take me to task on how our AMGs sound...I never argued that one sounds 'better' than the other, just that the OP wouldn't/shouldn't be disappointed. Personally, I would stop and listen to any '63 that cared to drive past me and I guarantee that a knowing smile would be generated ;). I've hankered after an epic V8 for many years, and despite being a TVR (noise) fan, I dont feel short changed with the discreet but purposeful sound my car makes. You sound like a dyed in the wool V8 man, and I'm sorry that it doesn't do a lot for you, but this is my first and I sincerely hope that I never harden to it.
 
That would suggest that the S brakes and the stock e63 brakes are not the same. Whether there is a price difference or just a fit difference I shall investigate. The rears seem a tad less but not much so still towards £2k for a brake set. Begs the question what these are as they are labelled Brembo
Brembo 09.A822.11 Rear Right Left Brake Disc Set x2 Discs Replacement Spare 8020584213704 | eBay
There's a 212 6.2 car on AT at the moment but I can't help feel its a lot of money when the 5.5 aren't that much more expensive.
11 plate 6.2 on 85K for 19k and the 13/14 plate 5.5 start around 23/24
 
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There's a 212 6.2 car on AT at the moment but I can't help feel its a lot of money when the 5.5 aren't that much more expensive.
11 plate 6.2 on 85K for 19k and the 13/14 plate 5.5 start around 23/24[/QUOTE]

They are a cracking car maybe that's why they are so much money. The 6.2 gets far to much criticism.

The 6.2 is an awesome unit. In my W212 experiences anyway. Just my 2p worth. They sound ok as well :thumb:
 
That would suggest that the S brakes and the stock e63 brakes are not the same. Whether there is a price difference or just a fit difference I shall investigate. The rears seem a tad less but not much so still towards £2k for a brake set. Begs the question what these are as they are labelled Brembo
Brembo 09.A822.11 Rear Right Left Brake Disc Set x2 Discs Replacement Spare 8020584213704 | eBay
There's a 212 6.2 car on AT at the moment but I can't help feel its a lot of money when the 5.5 aren't that much more expensive.
11 plate 6.2 on 85K for 19k and the 13/14 plate 5.5 start around 23/24

As I am looking at the 5.5Biturbo, the issue of brake discs interests me too.
It appears the cheaper discs for both front and rear can be found on Autodoc for under £300 a pair fronts and under £100 for the rears.
On checking the part numbers against the EPC, it appears the cheaper discs only fit certain versions of the W212 E63 (mainly the 6.2 what what I've seen so far)

Again, using the Vin# to double check the fitment is a must it seems.
 
As I am looking at the 5.5Biturbo, the issue of brake discs interests me too.
It appears the cheaper discs for both front and rear can be found on Autodoc for under £300 a pair fronts and under £100 for the rears.
On checking the part numbers against the EPC, it appears the cheaper discs only fit certain versions of the W212 E63 (mainly the 6.2 what what I've seen so far)

Again, using the Vin# to double check the fitment is a must it seems.

Cheaper brakes and better exhaust note on the 6.2 what is there not to like lol :rock:
 
Is there a free to view epc?
Must say I'm really leaning towards the 5.5 in either e or cls estate guise but it would need to be the right colour inside and out, spec price etc. And ideally not in Aberdeen (other far away places are available)
 
You used to be able to get free access to the official EPC with membership to the Mercedes-Benz Club although they’ve changed to a new parts system as of late last year. Registration to the new system is still being migrated over so as yet I still have no access at present although they did email recently with an update (sounds as though MB in Germany are dealing with it?)

I think the only foolproof way of ensuring you get the correct and up to date/revised parts (if applicable) is to work from the VIN as Roger says above. Any UK MB dealer will be able to do this for you.

I think a lot of the confusion with these discs stems from the fact these parts are used on numerous MB models with AMG braking systems eg 211/212/204 etc. The 212 ‘63 discs are all pretty similar price wise, I think it’s on the C63 where you would notice the jump in price from standard cars to those with the performance pack brakes (ie floating/2-piece discs). AFAIK the only option brakes wise on the 212 was ceramics which are in a totally different league in terms of cost, the steel discs are all similar price wise.

As I’ve said already, they are quite expensive for brakes but these are expensive cars to run in other aspects (eg tyres as I mentioned previously, and servicing). Unless you’re paying over the odds for a car with clearly worn discs then I don’t see the issue - they last ages and relative to the cost of the car and other running expenses it’s not a huge concern. They don’t exactly wear out overnight and you can easily see the condition of the brake parts through the large (19”) alloy wheels when viewing a potential car. For example you could find a nice car with fresh discs and pads for sale that may need a service in 3 months requiring spark plugs, ATF, brake fluid etc and tyres on barely 4mm that will quickly cost you £800 for a new set. Brakes wouldn’t be main concern for me in terms of purchasing but I would probably factor in the cost of new ones if they were clearly heavily worn :thumb:
 

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