GingerMoon
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Could anyone advise the best engine oil system cleaner for a 2010 Vito 111cdi please
Engine oil system cleaner
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Flyinspanner
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Regular oil & filter changes.
just do it every 5K miles.
just do it every 5K miles.
ExMercTech
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Depending on mileage useage.
I’ll go 10K oil filter changes.
Mercedes Oil Filter.
Decent Branded engine oil. To the correct spec as well.
Even after a oil change your engine oil will all way look black dirty.
I’ll go 10K oil filter changes.
Mercedes Oil Filter.
Decent Branded engine oil. To the correct spec as well.
Even after a oil change your engine oil will all way look black dirty.
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Modern high-quality oils and filters are capable of much higher mileages between changes than 5000 miles though.
Maybe, It depends on how you drive and other conditions. Lot's of people do oil analysis here in the US and have found that mobil 1 starts to shear at around 7500 miles. Their own website indicates up to 15,000 miles intervals which basically means in lab conditions.
There's a BMW specialist near me that has a display cabinet full of rod bearings that he's done. I suspect that he loves people that don't change their oil often. For me, it's cheap insurance.
Gazwould
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And dispersants , they all have lovely little polar heads with hydrocarbon tails .
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I have owned 4 vehicles that have covered (without any engine-related issues) over 150,000 miles, 165,000 miles, 172,000 miles and 224,000 miles.
None were new to me but all had a comprehensive service history with oil and filter changes at recommended intervals (none under 12,000 miles, some at 15,000 or, in the case of the 224,000 mile Audi, when the car system asked for an oil change which varied between 18,000 and 20,000 miles.
Two died of gearbox failure, one of corrosion (the only MB in that list!) and the Audi reached 310,000 miles before it was scrapped due to accident damage.
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I didn't put all of the miles on them!That's some mileage... what do you do for a living?
I have a policy of buying privately owned cars with large displacement engines and with highish mileages.
They tend to be well equipped, owned by people who can afford to maintain them and have relatively little wear as most of the mileage is accrued over a few years on motorways or long journeys. .
My Audi was 5 years old and had covered 125,000 miles when I bought it with a full Audi service history, one (Accountant) owner and was in very good order.
PS: I forgot the Range Rover at 160,000
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Petrol Pete
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Is the OP not asking us to recommend some kind of additive (snake oil) to 'clean out' an engine ?
If that's the case....over to you guys.
If that's the case....over to you guys.
You've had good fortune. I bought an 00 E55 a few years back that had it's last oil change less than 10,000 miles before I bought it. This is what I found when I pulled the filter. This is my personal experience.
You can't really count on the manufacturer to be 100% right, MB introduced a fleece filter for the M112 and M113 after reports of sludge build up due to extended oil changes. You also can't count on the quality of the oil or filters used in the last oil change if you're not doing your own oil changes. As I said, It's cheap insurance so i'll stick to my routine. You're of course welcome to stick to yours.
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I can count on the quality of the parts if I have an invoice from a reputable garage, and I do not think you can dismiss my experiences as just down to luck.
America has many "Lube shops, " that prey on the lack of knowledge of many owners and performs unnecessary and often poor quality "oil and filter"changes.
Having said that as you clearly have the access to parts and the ability then regular oil changes between the service schedules will, as you say, give you additional peace of mind.
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I've had 5 Vitos from new in the last 18 years, 3 of them have been the 111 CDI & they all had oil changes as per the variable service indicator, sometimes going over 20,000 miles between changes. They all reached over 230,000 miles each with no problems, none of them were consuming oil at those mileages either. The 2008 one did have a cracked cylinder head at about 180,000 miles & it gave me an opportunity to have a look inside the engine whilst it was apart in the workshop. I could see no appreciable wear on the cams or any bearing surfaces, in fact I could still see the honing marks clearly on the cylinders. I'm not saying it's wrong to change your oil more frequently, you're certainly not doing any harm, I'm just saying it's unnecessary.
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None of the above is incompatible with the statement that "mobil 1 starts to shear at around 7500 miles".
The oil may start shearing at this point but that doesn't mean it stops working altogether.
Just as a tyre with 4mm thread won't be as good at preventing aquaplaning as a tyre with 8mm thread, but that does not mean that a 4mm tyre is not serviceable.
I obviously have no way of knowing if the specific statement regarding Mobil1 is actually correct, but the point remains that all service items gradually degrage in use, and this includes oil, filters, spark plugs, etc. They get replaced when their performance is thought to go below a certain threshold (we don't actually test them to see how much they have degraded. Some people will test brake fluid and coolant, but that's not part of any official service schedule).
The oil may start shearing at this point but that doesn't mean it stops working altogether.
Just as a tyre with 4mm thread won't be as good at preventing aquaplaning as a tyre with 8mm thread, but that does not mean that a 4mm tyre is not serviceable.
I obviously have no way of knowing if the specific statement regarding Mobil1 is actually correct, but the point remains that all service items gradually degrage in use, and this includes oil, filters, spark plugs, etc. They get replaced when their performance is thought to go below a certain threshold (we don't actually test them to see how much they have degraded. Some people will test brake fluid and coolant, but that's not part of any official service schedule).
Spider10
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Bmw rod bearings are not from lack of oil changes they fail due to people treating it like a race car when cold as the oil is 10w-60 which is thick,,so needs to be warmed up before thrashing it as the tolerances are so small
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We had an interesting conversation 2 days ago in a garage.
Guy 1, "651 engines are crap, fail all the time in vans and cars and a bugger to fix".
Guy 2, "not had problems, service them all the time, fit proper filters and Low Ash Oil etc. and been good".
Guy 3, (me) "same as guy 2".
Apparently "Guy 1" uses "good oil" but they only need serviced every few years or 30k miles!
Guy 1, "651 engines are crap, fail all the time in vans and cars and a bugger to fix".
Guy 2, "not had problems, service them all the time, fit proper filters and Low Ash Oil etc. and been good".
Guy 3, (me) "same as guy 2".
Apparently "Guy 1" uses "good oil" but they only need serviced every few years or 30k miles!
Spider10
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People who follow the service intervals are asking for trouble imo way to many miles between service's but they must state that for a purpose manufacturer's dont get up in a morning and pick a figure out of fresh air i do all mine petrol or diesel at 5k or less but i don't do much mileage, my other halfs MB just gets done on yearly service plan which is coming up to 3 year's old and has done 27k with no issues whatsoever
Spider10
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Us more mature owner's (older in other words) can't seem to get our heads around high miles service plans but as mentioned previously the oil's of today contain addertives and cleaning agents in my eye's its wrong but is it?
