Facelift amg prices when the w213 arrives

[Luke-BITURBO]

How much of an impact are they going to take when the new model arrives do you think chaps? I payed £40,000 for my 2014 e63 amg with 18k on it 8 months ago and not sure to shift it on soon, I know these cars will take abit of a hit and not the reason I'm selling just curious

Thanks

 

[AlexM]

It certainly isn't going to improve residual values!. Im not totally taken with the new cars styling and with 4wd for all models. In a way the w212 is a different type of car to its successor, which is going to be a big step forward in tech given the long model cycle of the w212. It will probably make it seem like an antique, but perhaps it is one of the last 'analogue' AMG models and will retain a certain following. I'm not convinced if a total tech overload improves driver involvement - performance and lap times will surely improve, but will it still be fun for the driver, or just a one dimensional sort of thrill?

We will see.

Regards,
Alex

 

[Deleted member 37751]

There's a white 2014 E63 with pano roof on AT now at £31k, the same car would have been touching £40k barely six month ago.

Their prices are only going one way and it ain't up!

 

[Luke-BITURBO]

There's a white 2014 E63 with pano roof on AT now at £31k, the same car would have been touching £40k barely six month ago.

Their prices are only going one way and it ain't up!

That is cheap, prices do seem to be averaging more 36-38k for 14plates still ATM though with 20,000-30k miles

 

[st13phil]

Their prices are only going one way and it ain't up!

These sort of cars have a near vertical depreciation curve in their early years and then tend to bottom out in the mid £20k's once they're 4-5 years old.

I don't honestly think that W212 E63 residuals will be hit significantly by the W213 for the next 18 months or so as that's when used examples will start to appear and even then W213 prices are likely to be pretty strong. In my experience, someone in the market for a £25k - £35k used high-performance car is unlikely to be seriously considering an £80k+ new or nearly new car.

Something else to remember is that there's a pretty big margin between trade-in and retail prices for cars like the E63 as there's a good chance that a dealer will have to spend a significant sum on it (even if it's "only" tyres and brakes they can be looking at £2k - £3k), and warranties are expensive too. This means that buying one from a dealer and getting out of it again in less than 18-months to 2 years is going to hurt badly.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

These sort of cars have a near vertical depreciation curve in their early years and then tend to bottom out in the mid £20k's once they're 4-5 years old.

I think the biggest downward pressure will be coming from the amount of E63's coming off of lease.

One thing the facelift W212 does have on its side is that the W213 doesn't look massively different because the big change in exterior was between pre-facelift and facelift. The interiors are a different matter though, I was absolutely blown away by the W213, the original W212 was always playing catch-up I think whereas the W213 has hit the ground running.

 

[st13phil]

I think the biggest downward pressure will be coming from the amount of E63's coming off of lease.

Agreed: that will certainly have an impact.

One thing the facelift W212 does have on its side is that the W213 doesn't look massively different because the big change in exterior was between pre-facelift and facelift. The interiors are a different matter though, I was absolutely blown away by the W213, the original W212 was always playing catch-up I think whereas the W213 has hit the ground running.

Admittedly I've only been in a low-rent W213 (a 220d in base trim) so far, but the interior looks better than it felt, if you see what I mean?

 

[c_200k]

These sort of cars have a near vertical depreciation curve in their early years and then tend to bottom out in the mid £20k's once they're 4-5 years old.

I don't honestly think that W212 E63 residuals will be hit significantly by the W213 for the next 18 months or so as that's when used examples will start to appear and even then W213 prices are likely to be pretty strong. In my experience, someone in the market for a £25k - £35k used high-performance car is unlikely to be seriously considering an £80k+ new or nearly new car.

Something else to remember is that there's a pretty big margin between trade-in and retail prices for cars like the E63 as there's a good chance that a dealer will have to spend a significant sum on it (even if it's "only" tyres and brakes they can be looking at £2k - £3k), and warranties are expensive too. This means that buying one from a dealer and getting out of it again in less than 18-months to 2 years is going to hurt badly.

I've been in this situation plenty and trust me buying and and trying to get out after 6 months is a no no

I've had my current E63 for nearly a year and looks like I might need to keep it another year

I'm skint now

 

[st13phil]

Just picking up again on Lee's point about cars coming off lease, from what I can glean there were between 300 and 350 E63's registered in each of the years 2013/14/15 and substantially less last year (2016). We can pretty safely assume that the 2013 cars that were leased have all hit the used market already, and a proportion of those registered in 2014 will have done so too.

Due to the relatively unchanged number of cars registered in each year, the numbers coming off lease this year and next are unlikely to be significantly different to those that that came off lease in 2015/2016, so there isn't likely to be a sudden "glut" of E63's.

 

[developer]

I've been in this situation plenty and trust me buying and and trying to get out after 6 months is a no no

I've had my current E63 for nearly a year and looks like I might need to keep it another year

I'm skint now

What's an E63 Exclusive Limited?

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Not an exact science I know but I've just counted up the facelift E63's for sale on AT and the ages stack up as:

2013 - 17

2014 - 43

2015 - 15

2016 - 3.

So using Phil's average of E63's registered, I'd expect there to be still a rise in the number for sale this year but then in 2018 the numbers will slow.

 

[Cyclone1]

For what it's worth the CLS63's have barely budged in price since I started looking in August until now. 2011/2 models with average spec and 30-45k miles range from £29,995-£32,995, with 2013-14 models at £31k-£39k dependent on spec, mileage and who is selling.

Some of the cars I saw late August are still for sale now but have come down around £2-3k, but this is still not enough....

I am sure the E and CLS63's will continue to drop as more lease cars come up for sale and as more go out of MB warranty.

Jules

 

[c_200k]

What's an E63 Exclusive Limited?

Well if you must ask John

It came from factory with 4wd all carbon panals saving over 500kg. It's got the F1 derived TT engine pushing 1000bhp and 4000 ft tq

If someone gets in the way in the top lane then laser guided heat seeking rockets deal with the top lane hog and also has invisable feature making you undectable to everything and everyone

That's all the **** I could make up from the top of my mind while working

ps. it's just a wind up

 

[Conrod121]

Further on from this question, will the then old 6.2v8 w212 take a hit also or will this be seen as something sought after?

 

[c_200k]

They will all in turn take a hit of some sort.

There are people who love the M156 and others who love the M157. The fact you can extract soo much power from just a remap has made the M157 very attractive especially I would say to the 55k owners who would be looking to upgrade.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Further on from this question, will the then old 6.2v8 w212 take a hit also or will this be seen as something sought after?

For whatever reason the M156 wasn't a popular E-Class engine in both the W211 and the W212 so I doubt it'll be sought after, the 55K boys natural progression is the 5.5 Bi-Turbo.

 

[AMGeed]

For whatever reason the M156 wasn't a popular E-Class engine in both the W211 and the W212 so I doubt it'll be sought after, the 55K boys natural progression is the 5.5 Bi-Turbo.

Exactly this in a nutshell. I wouldn't consider the 6.2 ahead of the 5.5 Biturbo on the W212 E63 as my next car.

For a start,if you are looking for an increase in power, there is nearly 200bhp difference between the 6.2 and the 5.5 with just a remap and that is aside from better acceleration and mpg.

You are looking at a 5 figure outlay to get a 6.2 anywhere close to 700+bhp,
and although a fantastic car, and engine, IMO it is only the exhaust note that is better.

Not posted to annoy 63 owners either. Just an honest opinion

 

[developer]

IMO it is only the exhaust note that is better.

I had one after the other Rog (M156 followed by M157) and it's more than just an exhaust note - M156 produces it's power higher up, it revs higher with a higher redline, meaning that you have to get more involved to get the best from it.

Involvement means more driver input and it's that input which gives the M156 it's character loved by so many, me included.

However, you're right about the power available and within easy reach - M157 has M156 licked.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Involvement means more driver input and it's that input which gives the M156 it's character loved by so many, me included.

As much as I love this Quattroporte, the N/A V8 needs hustling to shift and in a big old saloon, as in the E-Class with the M156, it means you've got to be in driving ban territory to have fun most of the time.

Nothing beats a supercharged engine in my opinion, but different strokes and all that.