Fines only ..... what happened to justice?

[219]

Another good deterrent would , in all seriousness, be to bring back corporal punishment as an alternative to jail time for some crimes .

With our prisons full to bursting, and the cost to the state of keeping people locked up , a good public flogging could be a more cost effective alternative, and might actually put some wrongdoers off more than ‘easy’ time in jail .

It might also be visible justice for the victims of some crimes , and justice could be swift if they were taken outside and flogged straight after the trial in front of the court house .

To my mind it would be more fitting for those found guilty of violent crimes .

 

[John]

Followed the chap for several miles and trashed his car ... perhaps he should have run him over?

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What is this "justice" word you speak of?

On a more serious note - there's an interesting series on TV called "World's Toughest Prisons".

Gives an insight into how other prisons function in other countries.

The Ukraine prison recently featured clearly shows a greater commitment to actually punishing individuals and forces them to work rather than sit on their behinds playing games consoles all day.

They lock up the most serious criminals and ensure they don't commit suicide so that they pay back society for their crimes.

Life means life as well.

So if the death penalty isn't to make a comeback, sadly, then at least this would be a good start.

 

[219]

What is this "justice" word you speak of?

On a more serious note - there's an interesting series on TV called "World's Toughest Prisons".

Gives an insight into how other prisons function in other countries.

The Ukraine prison recently featured clearly shows a greater commitment to actually punishing individuals and forces them to work rather than sit on their behinds playing games consoles all day.

They lock up the most serious criminals and ensure they don't commit suicide so that they pay back society for their crimes.

Life means life as well.

So if the death penalty isn't to make a comeback, sadly, then at least this would be a good start.

The concept of 'hard labour' - constructing roads , repairing decaying dams , and lots of other tasks , could see some offenders contribute something back to society .

My other suggestion above , of corporal punishment , could also give some sense of justice back to victims or their families , with , for example , the father of a woman who was raped or otherwise assaulted , being offered the opportunity to carry out the flogging of the perpetuator of the crime - I think some people would take up that offer .

 

[AMGeed]

The concept of 'hard labour' - constructing roads , repairing decaying dams , and lots of other tasks , could see some offenders contribute something back to society .

I'd like to see it, but it won't happen.
Poor souls will be on to their brief claiming it infringes their "human rights" and sadly the law would probably agree.

 

[Rayny]

Punishments need to be thought out carefully if they are to work
.
Corporal punishment -
Who would carry out the punishment ? - The punisher could possibly face reprisal action from the offenders friends and/or family. Or they could hit harder/softer dependent on their knowledge of the crime or of the guilty person.
If an appeal against the conviction is upheld, what redress would the 'innocent' party have ?
Would the likelihood of corporal punishment sway the minds of the jury/magistrate when it came time to decide a verdict ?

Hard labour -
What would be the stance of the relevant unions in the work of their members being done by criminals without pay?
Do we really have enough suitable people to oversee the work details?
What incentive would be given for the works to be properly carried out?

Perhaps the answer could be something along the lines of the old National Service - Not as part of the armed forces, but more like labour camps - Where the convicted are made to run around obstacle courses, dig unnecessary holes, or anything else to keep them occupied and worn out.
Food, and access to health care or education could be dependent on their willingness to toe the line.
There could be an hierarchy within the camps, which could be moved up as the individuals attitude improved. The final goal in the hierarchy would be release back into society.
No minimum nor maximum sentence - Just kept inside until they are considered to be ready to re-join society as a useful member thereof.

In the meantime we would need to ensure that everybody in the legal system was there for the good of society, and not for their own benefit

 

[219]

Punishments need to be thought out carefully if they are to work
.
Corporal punishment -
Who would carry out the punishment ? - The punisher could possibly face reprisal action from the offenders friends and/or family. Or they could hit harder/softer dependent on their knowledge of the crime or of the guilty person.
If an appeal against the conviction is upheld, what redress would the 'innocent' party have ?
Would the likelihood of corporal punishment sway the minds of the jury/magistrate when it came time to decide a verdict ?

Hard labour -
What would be the stance of the relevant unions in the work of their members being done by criminals without pay?
Do we really have enough suitable people to oversee the work details?
What incentive would be given for the works to be properly carried out?

Perhaps the answer could be something along the lines of the old National Service - Not as part of the armed forces, but more like labour camps - Where the convicted are made to run around obstacle courses, dig unnecessary holes, or anything else to keep them occupied and worn out.
Food, and access to health care or education could be dependent on their willingness to toe the line.
There could be an hierarchy within the camps, which could be moved up as the individuals attitude improved. The final goal in the hierarchy would be release back into society.
No minimum nor maximum sentence - Just kept inside until they are considered to be ready to re-join society as a useful member thereof.

In the meantime we would need to ensure that everybody in the legal system was there for the good of society, and not for their own benefit

Corporal punishment- the punisher could be kept anonymous, much as the hangman could wear a hood . Anyway, it wasn’t a problem back when we still had such punishments. Besides , as mentioned, in some cases victims or their families might choose to administer the sentence. If the father of a rape victim or of a murdered child , they should be allowed to administer repeated floggings , with time in between for recovery , until such time as they felt the wrongdoer had been sufficiently punished . It shouldn’t be hard to find people who would carry out such sentences with conviction .

Notice of appeal would have to be lodged by the defence immediately after the verdict , otherwise the sentence would be carried out forthwith.

One would hope that the prospect of this punishment would sway the mind of the wrongdoers before they commit the crime.

Re hard labour , the prisoners would most likely be assigned work that otherwise wouldn’t get done due to lack of funding ; such as weeding spillways . Rather than digging pointless holes , there ought not to be any shortage of useful and beneficial work to be done .

 

[AMGeed]

^ Careful, the luvvies will be throwing their hands up in mock horror at those suggestions

 

[190]

I'm old enough to remember when the Isle of Man still used Birching as a corporal punishment. As a teenager at the time it seemed to me to be a very effective deterrent. The European court of human rights got involved and deemed it degrading which eventually led to the birching laws being repealed.

 

[ToeKnee]

I think that in gaol offenders should be made to use treadmills connected to generators hooked up to the national grid and made to run for 18 hours a day, keep them occupied and put plenty of energy back into the grid. Win win!

 

[Swotty]

The problem to me seems to be 2 pronged. Overflowing prisons and the "liberalisation" of UK society. The new Home Secretary is known to have favoured the return of the death penalty, but the new PM is a Liberal masquerading as a Conservative, along with many - perhaps even the majority - of his party, so there's no chance of the return of the short, sharp shock.

The need for politicians to be woke and in tune with social trends such as the climate change baloney is endemic.

My mum said at the time, stopping teachers being able to chastise badly-behaved children would leave to a massive drop in respect for others. Now it seems to be all about the self ... 'uman rights and all.

I was sent this recently and perhaps it's apposite to repeat it here ... hope it copies:

 

[Swotty]

 

[Deleted member 6183]

It's like the Daily Mail Online comments section in here.

 

[219]

It's like the Daily Mail Online comments section in here.

Grumpy old men ...

 

[st13phil]

It's like the Daily Mail Online comments section in here.

I first saw this T-shirt a few years ago, but it still makes me laugh:

 

[Swotty]

It's like the Daily Mail Online comments section in here.

Dunno ... never read it ... what's it like?

 

[Deleted member 6183]

Dunno ... never read it ... what's it like?

You'd love it mate.

 

[Swotty]

You'd love it mate.

Why?

 

[Deleted member 6183]

Why?

Bye.

 

[Bellow]

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[Riva811]

I had a friend with a lot of road rage, he usually stopped cars to "beat the driver up". In one incident he stopped a kick boxer. Next stop was A&E.