Flashed at 40MPH in a 40MPH zone

[MoAMG]

Travelling eastbound on the A406 last night having joined it at Chiswick roundabout from the A4. This patch of the A406 is 40MPH. Coming up to the first camera, a newly fitted camera may I add, switching lanes whilst maintaining 40MPH, the camera flashes 3 times (or maybe twice). Should I expect to hear from the DVLA? If so, can I prove I was doing the limit?

 

[m2287]

Isn't that the bit where there is a temporary 30mph limit?



























Only joking!

 

[BTB 500]

Double flash is normal - it takes 2 pics a fixed time apart so the speed of the vehicle can be confirmed if necessary using the white lines painted on the road (how far it has moved between the two images).

Are you sure the camera wasn't triggered by another car?

 

[markjay]

May have flashed another vehicle?

Someone behind you approaching fast?

 

[roastbeef]

If it is 40mph and you was doing 40mph then the photograph will show this on the White line measurement markings hopefully

 

[MoAMG]

Could the switch in lanes trigger the camera?

This was around midnight so I was the only one on the road...

 

[markjay]

....can I prove I was doing the limit?

You don't have to... they need to prove that you were'nt.

You can request to see the evidence, and in the event that your car was indeed going faster than 40mph, then get your speedo checked by a specialist....

 

[MoAMG]

You don't have to... they need to prove that you were'nt. You can request to see the evidence, and in the event that your car was indeed going faster than 40mph, then get your speedo checked by a specialist....

If there is a fault with the speedo, presumably, that still wouldn't stop them (DVLA) from giving me 3 points and a fine?

 

[bob6600]

If there is a fault with the speedo, presumably, that still wouldn't stop them (DVLA) from giving me 3 points and a fine?

If your speedo is faulty then no, it won't stop DVLA from issuing the points and fine

 

[Deleted member 6183]

If there's a problem with the camera then you won't be the only one to suffer and it will become better publicised and you (and all the others) will have any punishment reversed - it's not the death penalty.

Or, alternatively, you could always start a petition.

 

[MoAMG]

If there's a problem with the camera then you won't be the only one to suffer and it will become better publicised and you (and all the others) will have any punishment reversed - it's not the death penalty. Or, alternatively, you could always start a petition.

It's not the death penalty but for someone who has always had a clean licence, it certainly feels like it!

Unfortunately, I don't think a petition will solve my problems on this occasion... Haha

 

[markjay]

If there's a problem with the camera then you won't be the only one to suffer and it will become better publicised and you (and all the others) will have any punishment reversed - it's not the death penalty.

Or, alternatively, you could always start a petition.

And if there is a problem with your speedo, then you'll know about it because you'll keeping getting flashed...

 

[Driver15]

It will just be set to trigger above a lower speed. you wont hear anything else from it if you was doing the correct speed.

had this a few times over the years.

 

[John]

Is it a GATSO?

I remember a GATSO on the eastern quarter of the A406 just randomly flashing two or three times seemingly when it felt like it.

Wonder if it is simiarly a duff one.

There's no guarantee it has a camera in it (you'd have to look in to the top left window to see though!).

I did this once when I got flashed by a camera - I thought the limit was 40. I went back, parked in front of it and stood on the boot of my car to see no camera in it!

Marvellous.

 

[Rory]

a newly fitted camera

When speed cameras where first put up on the roads into Chester they were set to flash at random so drivers would notice them.

Caused uproar with complaining drivers at Police HQ, so they stopped it pretty quickly.

If there is a fault with the speedo, presumably, that still wouldn't stop them (DVLA) from giving me 3 points and a fine?

DVLA don't issue speeding penalties.

 

[MoAMG]

Is it a GATSO? I remember a GATSO on the eastern quarter of the A406 just randomly flashing two or three times seemingly when it felt like it. Wonder if it is simiarly a duff one. There's no guarantee it has a camera in it (you'd have to look in to the top left window to see though!). I did this once when I got flashed by a camera - I thought the limit was 40. I went back, parked in front of it and stood on the boot of my car to see no camera in it! Marvellous.

No, it was a speedcurb... http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/speedcurb.htm

 

[Giantvanman]

If there is a fault with the speedo, presumably, that still wouldn't stop them (DVLA) from giving me 3 points and a fine?

If your speedo is faulty then no, it won't stop DVLA from issuing the points and fine

OP.
It won't stop the fine being issued because how would they know your speedo was faulty?
You can put this forward as mitigation to a magistrate but you would have to show, by expert evidence, that your speedometer was faulty. You would also have to show that you were unaware of the fact…speedometers must, by law, over-read, by the way.

As others have said, it is quite possible that the camera has been set incorrectly and that the photograph will prove your speed.

For your delectation, 36(2) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/36/made

and this The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 1996 where Section 19

"1. The vehicle shall be fitted with a speedometer capable of indicating speed in mph at all speeds mph. up the maximum design speed of the vehicle.
2. For all true speeds up to the maximum design speed of the vehicle, the true speed shall not exceed the indicated speed.
3. For all true speeds of between 25 mph and 70 mph (or the maximum design speed if lower), the difference between the indicated speed and the true speed shall not exceed—
V / 10 + 6.25mph
where
V = the true speed of the vehicle in mph."

In relation to the fault, "A vehicle's speedometer shall at all times it is used on a road be maintained in good working order. The only exceptions to this are when:

the speedometer became defective during the journey being undertaken, or
steps have been taken to have the defect remedied by replacement or repair as soon as possible."

In essence, it is your shout. If you believe that the speedo may be faulty and do nothing about it in a reasonable time frame, waiting to see if a ticket arrives, the magistrates may not look kindly upon your defence if you then contest the ticket, if that makes sense. Hope this helps.

EDIT: The simplest thing to do in the meantime is to arrange you follow someone at pre-arranged speeds (say at 20, then 30, 40, 50) and note your readings against the prearranged; they should be fairly close and will be a decent indicator.

 

[Meldrew2]

If you have a sat-nav that indicates speed you could also use that to compare - but note that sat-navs are not required to over-read - and that a sat-nav will show 29.9mph to be 29.

 

[MoAMG]

OP. It won't stop the fine being issued because how would they know your speedo was faulty? You can put this forward as mitigation to a magistrate but you would have to show, by expert evidence, that your speedometer was faulty. You would also have to show that you were unaware of the fact…speedometers must, by law, over-read, by the way. As others have said, it is quite possible that the camera has been set incorrectly and that the photograph will prove your speed. For your delectation, 36(2) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/36/made and this The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 1996 where Section 19 "1. The vehicle shall be fitted with a speedometer capable of indicating speed in mph at all speeds mph. up the maximum design speed of the vehicle. 2. For all true speeds up to the maximum design speed of the vehicle, the true speed shall not exceed the indicated speed. 3. For all true speeds of between 25 mph and 70 mph (or the maximum design speed if lower), the difference between the indicated speed and the true speed shall not exceed— V / 10 + 6.25mph where V = the true speed of the vehicle in mph." In relation to the fault, "A vehicle's speedometer shall at all times it is used on a road be maintained in good working order. The only exceptions to this are when: the speedometer became defective during the journey being undertaken, or steps have been taken to have the defect remedied by replacement or repair as soon as possible." In essence, it is your shout. If you believe that the speedo may be faulty and do nothing about it in a reasonable time frame, waiting to see if a ticket arrives, the magistrates may not look kindly upon your defence if you then contest the ticket, if that makes sense. Hope this helps. EDIT: The simplest thing to do in the meantime is to arrange you follow someone at pre-arranged speeds (say at 20, then 30, 40, 50) and note your readings against the prearranged; they should be fairly close and will be a decent indicator.

Thank you for the thorough note. For the interests of clarity, I was travelling in my new CLS when I got flashed so it is highly unlikely, although not impossible, for the speedo to be off.

The car is going into Mercedes tomorrow, after three weeks of ownership, for various other concerns so I might just add this to the list for them to investigate...

 

[SquabzZz]

Travelling eastbound on the A406 last night having joined it at Chiswick roundabout from the A4. This patch of the A406 is 40MPH. Coming up to the first camera, a newly fitted camera may I add, switching lanes whilst maintaining 40MPH, the camera flashes 3 times (or maybe twice). Should I expect to hear from the DVLA? If so, can I prove I was doing the limit?

not read everyones post mate but this has happened to me loads of times in different areas and never got a ticket i even got flashed whilst doing 23 mph in 30 mph zone at 3 am in the morning sometimes the cameras just go mad but as someone said in 1 post thats why 2 photos are taken to prove your speed

i wouldn't worry at all even so a 40 camera wont really flash until you do around 46 so i would just call it a crazy camera