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Satch

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Here we go again. It is suggested that by the end of next week the average pump price will have risen by about 5p per litre for petrol and maybe 10p per litre for diesel.

So let us just remind ourselves, one again, that if petrol reaches the projected 90p per litre pump price about 67p of that is taxes.

But of course you have purchased that out of taxed income so (assuming that all MB drivers are of course Pluted Bloatocrats and taxed at higher rate of 40% plus suffering a 1% NIC charge) you will have had to earn £1.52 gross in the first place. 62p to the Treasury

But to pay you that extra £1.52 your employer has to cough up 12.8% NIC as well. Another 19p to fund Labour social engineering dreams.

So in order to get that marginal litre into your tank you and your employer collectively contribute £1.48 to Gordon Brown.

That is an effective tax rate of 643% And it makes me want to puke.
 
My company also pays 1k a month in business rates which goes to straight to central government for which we don't even get our bins emptied and have to pay a private firm and should we be rude enough to make a profit, they have 22% of that as well in corporation tax, but don't get me started!
 
someone has to pay for all the government jobs being 'created' for our budding bureaucrats
 
Satch said:
So let us just remind ourselves, one again, that if petrol reaches the projected 90p per litre pump price about 67p of that is taxes.

I paid that on my last fill up
:crazy: (It was BP Ultimate though).. I pulled into the wrong petrol station, but had no option, I was low!

Satch said:
That is an effective tax rate of 643% And it makes me want to puke.

Me too, tax and NI in general make me puke (levels of).
 
Mr Satch's calculator is working properly - my figures agree too. But why stop at fuel? If you start with salary cost to the employer and start deducting

1 Employers NICS (income tax by another name)
2 Employees NICS (income tax by another name)
3 Income Tax
4 VAT on most things that you buy
5 Excise duties on petrol, fags and alcohol
6 TV license, road fund license
7 Council Tax
8 Stamp duty to move house

In fact there are so many little ways of relieving you of your hard earned crust...and the government moans we're not saving enough years after Gordon removed the dividend tax credit on pension funds.

So once you've made this horrendous calculation, you'll find that there's not much left. Those of you with an overdraft will, I suspect, already instinctively know this!

Les
 
Do not start me off on this subject as it also makes me puke amongst other things and I get very, very angry :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
My local Diesel is now 84.99p per litre, but managed to get some at Sainsbury's for 82.99p so filled up. :crazy:

I am just as annoyed with all this as you are lads, but please try and not make this into a "Political Rant", as it is against Forum rules. :eek: :eek:
 
the best sting in the tail is, after all that taxation yo uthen pay inheritance tax!!!!
 
sasha said:
the best sting in the tail is, after all that taxation yo uthen pay inheritance tax!!!!

Technically your family inheriting your money do, but point well made. ;)
 
I would not mind if I could see anything worthwhile being created as a result of this huge tax burden but there is little apart from non-jobs, endless and meaningless "targets", the growth of the useless and vile Intruder State and an increasing number of benefit dependants who oddly just might be Labour voters.

At risk of sounding like one of the Grumpy Old Men to go along with these taxes to name but a few of many things:

My wife had a problem last year and NHS estimated 6 month wait time although it was a condition which required urgent attention. On BUPA same consultant & same hospital got it arranged, and done, in two days.

"Local" A&E unit is now 31 miles away

My dentist stopped doing NHS work years ago. I pay for his Aston Martin directly now.

After a decent state Primary education no real choice other than to put both my children through private Secondary education because the only two state schools on offer were absolutely dreadful in every respect. Average tenure of Head Teachers for both is quite short and they are staffed mostly by supply teachers.

The very few local bus services have despite all efforts vanished and train service is being reduced as from December despite vast fare increases

Local authority gets less each year from Governemnt because we are not a "socially deprived" area. i.e not a Labour stronghold.

Local companies do not qualify for "Selective Regional Support" grants which seems to be awarded on a very, very strange basis.

Police no longer respond to Burglaries, Vandalism, petty theft etc

And the legislation/regulations covering:

Income Tax, Corporation Tax, National Insurance Contributions, Tax Credits, Capital Allowances, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance Tax, Stamp Duty, Stamp Duty Land Tax, Stamp Duty Reserve Tax, Value Added Tax, Customs Duty, Road Excise Duty, Petroleum Revenue Tax, Insurance Premium Tax, Landfill Tax, Air Passenger Duty, Climate Change Levy, Aggregates Levy, Lorry Road User Charge etc,

now spans 9824 pages of close type and is growing on a daily basis
 
Brian, apologies - I wasn't aware of the forum rules.
The nearest thing to rules I can see are the descriptions underneath the forum names.
Are the rules written somewhere?
Rgds
Les
 
never mind what about the cost of beer

:eek:1 pint of beer for discussions sake is just a little more than 1/2 a litre so if a pint of beer cost average £1.85 then equate to petrol diesel costs...I can not complain really about fuel costs but beer well I ask you we still moan about the cost of a pint but we don't blockade breweries or block motorways and all we do with beer is flush it down the drain eventually...so i think fuel is quite reasonable to be honest ... :bannana:
 
Simon said:
It's the announcement at the top of each section Like this

Hope that helps :)

Thanks for reminding us all to have a closer read, but I must be going blind too. Where is the rule that forbids political conversations/discussions or even rants?
 
mark.t said:
:eek:1 pint of beer for discussions sake is just a little more than 1/2 a litre so if a pint of beer cost average £1.85 then equate to petrol diesel costs...I can not complain really about fuel costs but beer well I ask you we still moan about the cost of a pint but we don't blockade breweries or block motorways and all we do with beer is flush it down the drain eventually...so i think fuel is quite reasonable to be honest ... :bannana:
Fuel rises cost rural areas disproportionately more. Unless of course you are an alcoholic, you do not have to drink alcohol. I have already been forced to drive a diesel and reserve my petrol car for special events. I have no public transport to use so if I want to eat I have to drive a car, or sit at home and wait for the benefit cheque.

Hopefully for your healths sake you don't drink as much beer as my car consumes fuel, and if you do, then you are in no fit state to drive anyway! :crazy: Maybe your car runs on alcohol?
 
Apial said:
Fuel rises cost rural areas disproportionately more. Unless of course you are an alcoholic, you do not have to drink alcohol. I have already been forced to drive a diesel and reserve my petrol car for special events. I have no public transport to use so if I want to eat I have to drive a car, or sit at home and wait for the benefit cheque.

Hopefully for your healths sake you don't drink as much beer as my car consumes fuel, and if you do, then you are in no fit state to drive anyway! :crazy: Maybe your car runs on alcohol?

:bannana: rural areas are difficult to get about in I agree ...hey no body forced you to drive a diesel why not buy a horse cleaner cheaper and more rural friendly and they have lots of them in rural areas ...or better still move you do not have to drive then...you could get public transport... or better work from home like me :D
 
mark.t said:
:eek:1 pint of beer for discussions sake is just a little more than 1/2 a litre so if a pint of beer cost average £1.85 then equate to petrol diesel costs...I can not complain really about fuel costs but beer well I ask you we still moan about the cost of a pint but we don't blockade breweries or block motorways and all we do with beer is flush it down the drain eventually...so i think fuel is quite reasonable to be honest ... :bannana:

It is sort of the other way round to fuel costs. Beer duty is £12.59 per 100 litres for each one percent alcohol. So Old Atrocious 5% ABV Ale nets Government 63p in beer duty per litre or 36p per pint. Plus VAT of course.

General rule is that about one third of the price of is tax.

Steep by European standards and the brewers make a very, very big fuss about that. However, some suggest this may perhaps be to draw public attention away from their own excessive pricing.
 

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