Glasgow Ulez drive - Did I or did I not enter ULEZ zone ?

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I was away in Glasgow for a few days. Came into glasgow from the east heading west. I was heading to west end so was thinking hmmmmmm since my 2013 C class aint euro6 I will have to plan some little diversions to stay outa the ulez zone. So I thought surely to god I can come off the M8 at the expressway exit (A814) which means jumping off at that exit driving literally rght at the bottom of Argyle street and simply turning right onto the expressway at the bottom of the hill. Anyway thats what I done almost 3 weeks ago. No fine letter as of yet. But on the ULEZ map it shows that it is right on the borderlne of the ULEZ zone. Appears to be on the outside of the border. Yes there are ULEZ signs at every exit that tells you when you are entering a ULEZ zone. They go from the Royal infirmary cut-off all the way round to across the bridge at Tradeston cut-off. I think even tho it sais on the sign ULEZ zone. It is permitted when driving west on the M8 to come off at the A814 and your NOT IN THE ULEZ ZONE.

This is such a major route going from a motorway straight onto an expressway. All of approx 300/400 yards between the exit from motorway onto the expressway heading west. Ive looked online everywhere and even when I was down there I asked a taxi driver and he said AYE i had entered the zone and would get fined. I think there are seriously grey areas with some of them routes. Even some of the taxi drivers dont have a bloody clue.

Can you stop exiting a motorway to simply go onto an expressway just because you are at the borderline of the ULEZ at the bottom of argyle street there? Yeah yeah there are signs about saying exit will enter Ulez zone but some exits do not appear to instantly be into a ULEZ zone when exiting at the 2 exits heading west OFF the M8.

Point of my post this exiting off the M8 in glasgow to head west is surely a major major route MORE SO considering the charing cross exit is closed due to on going maintenance the now.

Anybody from Glasgow area got any input on this? This post isnt about anything other than the confusion on the simple route at 2 exits heading west off the M8.
 
Am I correct in thinking that the Glasgo LEZ bans non-compliant cars altogether, as opposed to London ULEZ when you can pay to enter the zone?
 
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Am I correct in thinking that the Glasgo LEZ bans non-compliant cars altogether, as opposed to London ULEZ when you can pay to enter the zone?
Yes outright ban and fines which increase every time you enter the zone in a non compliant vehicle. If you enter 5 times the fine is around £500 i believe. Kerching for Glasgow council.


Seems unlikely that Glaswegians will tolerate this nonsense for long.
 
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Ah... so a fairly new thing then.
Yes. A new thing.

Newcastle council allow private vehicles into their low emissions zone free of charge, preferring to fine taxis, lgv and hgv's instead. Local taxi drivers in non compliant cars can pay £50 a week for unlimited use in the lez.

The zone includes every bridge across the river Tyne but excludes the toll tunnel which is in north tyneside so outside of newcastle city councils fiefdom. The nonsense of this is clear considering particulates in a confined space, such as a tunnel, are unable to naturally disperse unlike in the open air. All again based on some spurious 'premature death' figures they have conjured up.
 
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Typical SNP not thinking through anything they introduce. Glasgow council while spending thousands telling people to prepare for ULEZ, forgot about themselves & spent £100000 between June & July hiring 131, cars lorries & vans as their own fleet did not meet the ULEZ criteria. Who pays, the taxpayer. This mob never admit to any wrongs. Also in the paper, Sturgeon was in her husbands car recently which was not taxed, only to be expected as Humza Useless was caught driving uninsured while being transport minister. Could not make it up.
 
Anybody from Glasgow area got any input on this? This post isnt about anything other than the confusion on the simple route at 2 exits heading west off the M8.

According to the map on the Councils website it does look like you ventured (unavoidably) into the "zone" , however it does also look like the M8 is also in the "zone" :wallbash:, which it isn`t at the moment.

A bit late now but , for future reference, if you are heading for the West End you should have stayed on the motorway and came off at the Tunnel exit and gone through the Tunnel onto the Expressway for there.

I was going to suggest you call the relevant council department and ask for clarification but i fear this process my be only slightly less stressful than open heart surgery.

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Yes. A new thing.

Newcastle council allow private vehicles into their low emissions zone free of charge, preferring to fine taxis, lgv and hgv's instead. Local taxi drivers in non compliant cars can pay £50 a week for unlimited use in the lez.

The zone includes every bridge across the river Tyne but excludes the toll tunnel which is in north tyneside so outside of newcastle city councils fiefdom. The nonsense of this is clear considering particulates in a confined space, such as a tunnel, are unable to naturally disperse unlike in the open air. All again based on some spurious 'premature death' figures they have conjured up.
Pretty much the same in Portmouth LEZ.....I can drive my E5 diesel in for free....but buses HGV and taxis have to pay....does not really encourage public transport does it! But it does mean a nice earner from the HGVs heading to the docks.
 
Anybody from Glasgow area got any input on this? This post isnt about anything other than the confusion on the simple route at 2 exits heading west off the M8.

You should be OK.

The LEZ (AFAICR) is signposted when you turn left into Argyle Street. So turning right on to the express way or heading straight down to the river and turning right should be OK.
 
I wonder how much money councils make by having an intentionally vague system that doesn’t allow you to check to see if your reg is logged as having ventured into a ULEZ or congestion zone…. With all the tech in place to enforce the zones, they couldn’t possibly implement a system that allows you to check, I’m sure…
 
You’ll be fine with what you have done. The Lez is as Dryce says is left onto Argyle Street where the Marriott is. Turning right from the M8 slip onto the expressway or going down to the Broomielaw is fine too as long as you turn right towards the secc.
 
A bit late now but , for future reference, if you are heading for the West End you should have stayed on the motorway and came off at the Tunnel exit and gone through the Tunnel onto the Expressway for there.

I wonder what the pollution measurements are like in the tunnel ....

When I was a lot younger I used to pass through on a motorcycle - back in the days when men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri, and you could see and feel the emissions from most diesel trucks and buses.
 
Yes outright ban and fines which increase every time you enter the zone in a non compliant vehicle. If you enter 5 times the fine is around £500 i believe. Kerching for Glasgow council.


Seems unlikely that Glaswegians will tolerate this nonsense for long.
Yet, you can drive any foreign registered vehicle that does not comply right through the middle of Glasgow and you will not hear a thing about it as they have no agreement with anyone other than the DVLA to trace number plates.
 
According to the map on the Councils website it does look like you ventured (unavoidably) into the "zone" , however it does also look like the M8 is also in the "zone" :wallbash:, which it isn`t at the moment.

A bit late now but , for future reference, if you are heading for the West End you should have stayed on the motorway and came off at the Tunnel exit and gone through the Tunnel onto the Expressway for there.

You have to come off the motorway to venture onto the expressway to head for the tunnel. unless you drive west all the way to govan to jump onto the tunnel at that side which would take you to the west end but to hell with that extra 5+ miles. It seems it is clarified by people. As long as you turn right at bottom of argyle street or if you carry on to broomelaw then a right there toward secc. Making sure no left turns. Absolutely no way they could penalise people for that 30 secondventry dwn onto expressway off the m8. The signs at those exits specify you are entering a UKEZ zone but in actual fact your mot. Only entering the ULEZ zone if you turned LEFT at bottom of argyle street or LEFT further down on the broomlaw.

Thanks for rest of you guys clarifying a stupid grey area at those exits.
 
Glasgow has been very bad at providing tangible details of its emission zone.

It's a lot harder than it should be to find a proper map of the scheme. There are stylised maps which tend to show little detail - just a shape of the boundary plus a couple of major roads and motorway - and leaves plenty of confusion for the likes of @HITECH trying to understand routing close to the scheme.

Glasgow council's site is at: Glasgow's Low Emission Zone (LEZ) - Glasgow City Council

There is a not very useful booklet at:


There is a detailed map embedded as figure 1 deep into this not very useful document:


But it's quite poor in terms of size and detail.

But then Glasgow is good at hiding useful information - I regularly complain about how poorly cycle routes are presented. I'm not sure why they are so bad at this sort of thing.



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But then Glasgow is good at hiding useful information - I regularly complain about how poorly cycle routes are presented. I'm not sure why they are so bad at this sort of thing..
Probably because hardly anyone uses them?
 
Glasgow has been very bad at providing tangible details of its emission zone.

It's a lot harder than it should be to find a proper map of the scheme. There are stylised maps which tend to show little detail - just a shape of the boundary plus a couple of major roads and motorway - and leaves plenty of confusion for the likes of @HITECH trying to understand routing close to the scheme.

Glasgow council's site is at: Glasgow's Low Emission Zone (LEZ) - Glasgow City Council

There is a not very useful booklet at:


There is a detailed map embedded as figure 1 deep into this not very useful document:


But it's quite poor in terms of size and detail.

But then Glasgow is good at hiding useful information - I regularly complain about how poorly cycle routes are presented. I'm not sure why they are so bad at this sort of thing.



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Im glad its not just me thats seeing them maos are crap and some of them are even out of focus so you cant see 100% dead cert where exactly around whole 360 boundary the actual ULEZ zones begin at each street…….
A wee bit off topic but am looking into the kits that germany are already installing onto euro5 mercedes to take them up to euro6. Only problem will be the dreaded nox sensors common to pack in before 12mths then its a ballache chasing manufacturer warranty to get new ones just for the new ones to do the same thing. From what Im reading up on the now you can get fully re-imbursed for all the costs once its euro6 passed.
I might just bite the bullet next year and get a nice new petrol mazda ive bn looking at. All depends on comfort & drive…
 

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