"God made the wicked MB showroom

[pipmk]

for a warning and a sign,
that men should shun the aweful shop,
and go home to dine"
(with apologies to GK Chesterton)

So I went to my favourite MB showroom just to get some ball park figures on the price to change.

2 hours later I emerge swimming in coffee having ordered a new E 350CDI Sport cabriolet in Palladium silver, Flamenco leather and redsoft top, black Piano trim ,Airscarf, full Comand, free StarGard and free Gap Insurance.

Still it's only money and I had promised myself one for recovering from Prostate cancer without medical intervention. So enjoy!

 

[fuzzer]

I wish you the best of health to enjoy the new wheels

 

[trapperjohn]

Exactly what fuzzer said.

Congratulations and well done on both counts.

 

[Rory]

2 hours later I emerge swimming in coffee having ordered a new E 350CDI Sport cabriolet in Palladium silver, Flamenco leather and redsoft top, black Piano trim ,Airscarf, full Comand, free StarGard and free Gap Insurance.

Blimey - it took us near-enough 3 hours to order a fairly bog-standard VW Golf recently! I'd lost the will to live by the end of it.

 

[neilrr]

for recovering from Prostate cancer without medical intervention.

How'd you manage that?

 

[pipmk]

Sometimes it feels like they are trying to bore you into submission doesn't it? But I knew what I wanted IF I was ready to buy.Turns out I was!

 

[pipmk]

Would take a lot of explaining but basically see Jane Plants book "Prostate Cancer, understand, prevent and overcome" . She was given 3 wks to live from extensive spread breast cancer. Cut out all meat except chicken, all dairy products, eat soya, cruciform veg, pomegranite juice, cranberry. If you want futher details see prostate-cancer. org.uk. If it means anything to you, 5 yrs ago I had a gleeson of 5+5 and a PSA of nearly 50 and climbing. 2 months ago a 59 core biopsy failed to find any trace.

 

[Troon]

Without wanting to diminish the awesomeness of your recovery, that's how Steve Jobs tried to beat pancreatic cancer to start with.

LSD, diets and a war with Google: book lays bare Jobs' secrets - News, Gadgets & Tech - The Independent

Hope you like the new car.

 

[pipmk]

Absolutely, and it MUST be done in conjnction with your consultant and with constant monitoring. Fortunately with PCa your PSA level is a good guide (but not infallable) of cancer activity especially as I had been under investigatiion for 6 years before they found it. 3 monthly PSA checks are vital and if my consultant had not said it was fine to try I wouldn't have done so. Unfortunately all the medical interventions have dire draw backs. (if you know what they are then fine, if you don't, believe me, you don't want to)

 

[MOCAŠ]

Wishing you all the best, but would it not be fairer to say that the cancer is in remission? Long may it stay that way.

 

[pipmk]

Wishing you all the best, but would it not be fairer to say that the cancer is in remission? Long may it stay that way.

No, remission is a state of non activity, the most extensive test known to medicine (save a post mortem removal and dissection which I am not too keen on) can now find no trace of cancer. That is "cancer free"

 

[Meldrew2]

All the new car now needs is an appropriate bumper sticker.....

 

[Dieselman]

No, remission is a state of non activity, the most extensive test known to medicine (save a post mortem removal and dissection which I am not too keen on) can now find no trace of cancer. That is "cancer free"

Actually Mocas is correct, you are in remission. There are two classifications of remission, partial or complete, fortunately yours appears to be complete.

It's also worth noting that everybody has some abnormal cells, but the immune system kills them off.
Cancer is when the immune system fails to kill off these cells so they multiply, however it's quite possible for the immune system to overcome them again with no further intervention, thus curing the problem.
Whilst diet and exercise may have benefits, I would be wary of proclaiming any magical diet as a cure for one's cancer.
From your description of being under investigation for 6 years (what for?), it sounds like your immune system was controlling the mutant cells well anyway, so it's quite possible that it then overcame them.
As for the side effects of regular treatment, they are fairly mild now, but when it's your last chance, you really don't care.

Good luck for the future.

 

[markjay]

Remission or cure... either way you have no Cancer and you have the Merc, so life is good

Enjoy

 

[pipmk]

Actually Mocas is correct, you are in remission. There are two classifications of remission, partial or complete, fortunately yours is complete.

It's also worth noting that everybody has some abnormal cells, but the immune system kills them off.
Cancer is when the immune system fails to kill off these cells so they multiply, however it's quite possible for the immune system to overcome them again with no further intervention, thus curing the problem.
Whilst diet and exercise may have benefits, I would be wary of proclaiming any magical diet as a cure for one's cancer.
From your description of being under investigation for 6 years (what for?), it sounds like your immune system was controlling the mutant cells well anyway, so it's quite possible that it then overcame them.

Good luck for the future.

No he is not right. The medical profession may have decided to hijack the word remission but the OED, rather more authoritive than even a consultant, is clear that remission is an abatement. You can't abate something which is not there and the cancer is not there-period. Dice it slice it how you will, they can find no trace of the cancer. Or do you know more than my consultant?

You have attempted to rain on my parade in a previous contribution for whatever motive and you are merely repeating your previous opinion, maybe you are a butcher or a professional doubting Thomas, I neither know nor care.Even worse you may be a consultant. Whats the difference between a consultant and God? God doesn't think he is a consultant.

Believe me after 11 years and with a chemist for a wife I do know a fair amount about cancer, cell abnormalities and PCa in particular. I suggest you look up the extensive (over 40 years) work on the mediteranean diet by Carey,Renaud et al and the work on Caellia Sinensis by the US Dept of Agriculture, Yale University and The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition to name just some of the more common references, let alone Prof Jane Plants much acclaimed work in this area.

I was as cynical as you still are but I wanted to live, had an open mind and the ability to process and understand scientific data. I have never advocated a diet I worked out as being a cure for PCa. I merely observe that it has undoubtedly worked for me and in consultation with ones specialist it might be worth a trial. Yes, you might be right, perhaps my body suddenly decided to destroyed the cancer which it was estimated I had had for many years and it had nothing to do with a massive change of lifestyle, it was mere coincidence. And maybe next week I shall be made Queen of England, I place the two events at the same level of probability.

 

[Dieselman]

And maybe next week I shall be made Queen of England, I place the two events at the same level of probability.

I suspect you are being subjective and not particularly rational.

The tests you have had find no trace of malignant cells...Good, though not infallible. The Psa test is affected by other things and it's quite possible to have blood tests and a biopsy that is all clear, but have malignant tumours.

This is the effect of diet...a possible assistance, but I would be wary of running up and down the street shouting hallelujah.

If your Consultant is sure you are "cured", I assume they have said you will require no further checks at all and have you suddenly become cured or have you been in remission checks for the 5 years of monitoring.


As I said previously, good luck for the future.

 

[HB]

well done son

 

[bpsorrel]

It might interest you, but a couple of years ago, my Dad had the first signs of enlarged prostate and after I did a lot of reading about Saw Palmetto, I recommended he take them. Two years later his Doctor has said he no longer needs to visit for check ups!
Needless to say, I take them regularly myself! Anyone else heard about the healing quality of SP?

Congrats on the healing and the great new car by the way!!

 

[markjay]

Dieslman, unfortunately I have spent some years as a patient, and talking to other patients.

And when another patient tells you that he is cured of his Cancer - and I've heard it from quite a few, using these exact words, either on their own accord or because their consultant told them so - I always leave it at that and never contradict them. Regardless of what I might think I know, or what I read, it is best if one keeps such views to oneself.

 

[Dieselman]

And when another patient tells you that he is cured of his Cancer - and I've heard it from quite a few, using these exact words, either on their own accord or because their consultant told them so

Which I am sure won't have happened.

I guess I just prefer things more black and white.

You edited your post after my reply, but as far as keeping my views to myself, that cuts all ways...
However the medical profession refers to being free of cancer cells as remission not cure, Mocas was correct, which was my original comment.

Once again, I'll wish pipmk good fortune for the future, I'm genuinely pleased for him.