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Government to scrap M4 bus lane

It should always have been a lane for HOV (two or more occupants in any vehicle) to encourage car pooling.
 
I've hardly used that stretch of the M4 in the car since they put the bus lane in as it has been such a nightmare.

Saying that, its great on the motorcycle as motorcycles can use it.
 
I'm less than keen on HOV lanes.
The one on the M606 out of Bradford sits there largely empty at evening rush-hour, while I and others are forced to sit queuing for a clogged-up roundabout which the HOV lane by-passes.
I have no hope of driving 2+.
Nothing is gained ... I am forced round a busy roundabout making things even worse for people coming from a completely-different direction.
Scrap that one as well.
 
Finally! I stopped using the M4 because of this abomination. Has anyone ever seen a bus in it? Not a coach, but a bus?

I believe all lanes should be open to all people. I don't understand why bus passengers have any priority at all - motorists pay road tax and insurance. Assuming the majority of bus passengers do not drive, which means theythey don't pay hundereds of pounds a year to arrive quicker. I need a car, to get to my office from my house would take five hours on a bus!
 
Great news!

How many times have we sat there staring at an empty lane paid for by yours and mine Road Tax
 
At long last, the end of the Prescott lane. A monument to interfering idiocy.
 
We're so rule bound in the UK. There have been plenty of times where I have been more than a little tempted to just drive in the damn lane, but the fear of getting caught has always stopped me.
 
What IS the penalty for driving in a bus lane? Three points or just the fine?
 
It's rarely enforced, only a handful of tickets are handed out. Lots of private motorists and private hire vehicle dive into the bus lane, especially when the rest of the carriageway is packed.

However, it's not worth taking the risk, you have to be lucky everytime you (illegally) use it, the police only have to be lucky once.
 
Finally! I stopped using the M4 because of this abomination. Has anyone ever seen a bus in it? Not a coach, but a bus?

I believe all lanes should be open to all people. I don't understand why bus passengers have any priority at all - motorists pay road tax and insurance. Assuming the majority of bus passengers do not drive, which means theythey don't pay hundereds of pounds a year to arrive quicker. I need a car, to get to my office from my house would take five hours on a bus!

Interesting article on the M4 bus lane here, which sheds some light on the real reasons it was introduced. It'll be interesting to see the results of its suspension during the trial period, and whether the decision to remove it actually survives following the Olympics.

There are sound reasons for bus priority schemes. If buses could get people into city centres more quickly than cars, more people would use them. And if a single, well-populated bus takes, say, 50+ cars off the road, that benefits everyone using the road (and living near it).

Once it was designated as such, the M4 bus lane was (obviously) never intended for use by local bus routes, but for express coaches travelling into London from Heathrow and beyond. Of course these passengers pay hundreds of pounds a year for their travel - do you really think it's a free service? It was probably easier to also allow taxis to use the lane as well than to introduce legislation specifically excluding them.
 
Interesting article on the M4 bus lane here, which sheds some light on the real reasons it was introduced. It'll be interesting to see the results of its suspension during the trial period, and whether the decision to remove it actually survives following the Olympics.

There are sound reasons for bus priority schemes. If buses could get people into city centres more quickly than cars, more people would use them. And if a single, well-populated bus takes, say, 50+ cars off the road, that benefits everyone using the road (and living near it).

Once it was designated as such, the M4 bus lane was (obviously) never intended for use by local bus routes, but for express coaches travelling into London from Heathrow and beyond. Of course these passengers pay hundreds of pounds a year for their travel - do you really think it's a free service? It was probably easier to also allow taxis to use the lane as well than to introduce legislation specifically excluding them.

Valid points, and well made, however, I own the road, therefore, I do not want buses in my way :D

One particular example I like to cite regarding bus lanes is Newcastle City Centre (because I live there...). Take the High Level Bridge as an example. Robert Stephenson's beautiful double decked bridge was restored from 2005 to 2008 at huge public expense. Like any other city with a River through it, Newcastle has traffic problems at peak times, and no less than six road bridges and one pedestrian/cyclist bridge crossing it's River, that's not to mention the heavily congested Tyne Tunnel further East of the city.

When the bridge was re-opened in 2008, it was opened only Southbound, out of the city. Fine. Great for easing the 5pm rush hour.

It was opened as a giant, River spanning bus lane. Not fine.

It would be a superb idea, if all the buses leaving Newcastle heading Southbound were using it, but they aren't. Many of them still use the Tyne Bridge, and one of the approach roads to this bridge is actually a bus lane, heavily restricting traffic flow around it, as traffic has to head North then South so as not to breach the bus lane.

It's a great big waste of public money. The bridge took three years to restore as it's girders had become damaged by 100 or so years of vehicles driving over them. So why should the heaviest vehicles on the road only be allowed to use it? Surely this further shortens the life of this amazing bridge.

This isn't in relation to the M4 bus lane, on which, I have been subsequently educated, but still object to, but another valid (IMHO) point regarding unecessary bus lanes. Many of the emptier buses are heavily subsidised, and carry less thn five people at a time. A taxi would be more cost effective, if you want to go down the subsidy route. Of course, that wouldn't work in practice, though.

Since I passed my driving test I have been on ONE regular, public service bus. My old man is a bus driver, and gets free travel, he seldom uses this and prefers for the sake of speed, comfort and practicality, to use the car. I did, however, car share quite a lot when I first started my current job, not optional now due to the travel I now have to undertake.
 
As a car driver who regularly drove the route, I hated the lane and am pleased to see it go...

That said, as a bike rider, I loved that lane. It was a safe and fast way to get into London, and always made me chuckle as I zipped past the gridlock of cars...

M.
 
What they could do as well is have a variable speed limit (which is what they should have done in the first place instead of the bus lane!), so during rush hour, the bottleneck would not be so bad if all the traffic approached it a lower speed instead of having everyone going up to it at silly mph, then braking hard at the bottleneck, causing a rippling effect behind.

Problem solved?!
 
You sure its £30? Usually fines in London are much higher than elsewhere, I thought it would be £120 (£60 within 14 days), same as parking tickets. Or does it depend who issues them - the police or the council?
 

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