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Grassed up by a Land Rover

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In the news today It would appear that the guy accused of murdering a man by crossbow has been grassed up by his Land Rover despite the vehicle being found completely destroyed by fire after the alleged murder.

JLR handed the police a remote log of where the car had been on the day of the murder and even pin pointed when the boot was opened and closed - which the prosecution argue is when the alleged killer removed and replaced the crossbow. All without even going near the wrecked car as it was in the database at JLR.

In this case that might turn out to be a good thing, but talk about Big Brother !

P.S I know Bezos , Zukerberg and everyone at my mobile phone/internet supplier Knows where I am right now but Whew ! where will it end ? (Hopefully in a murder prosecution in this case)
 
New Mercedes have a SIM and pass lots of info to Mercedes. (Location for Live Traffic, etc etc). You can have it turned off but you lose the automatic calling the emergency services when you crash, the SOS facilities, the Help I've broken down facility (that passes some diagnostic data), Live Traffic, Mercedes Me etc

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where will it end ? (Hopefully in a murder prosecution in this case)
It will never end it will only get worse or better depending on your point of view.
Your movements are already tracked though CCTV cameras, dash cameras, ANPR cameras, mobile phone networks etc etc.
The only exception to this are those poor souls who went missing on Malaysian airlines several years ago.
I still find it hard to believe that in this day and age they are unable to locate the fuselage.
Big brother is always watching unless you live in the sticks.
Personally I don’t have a problem with it.
 
New Mercedes have a SIM and pass lots of info to Mercedes. (Location for Live Traffic, etc etc). You can have it turned off but you lose the automatic calling the emergency services when you crash, the SOS facilities, the Help I've broken down facility (that passes some diagnostic data), Live Traffic, Mercedes Me etc

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Mercedes Me - no thanks. FB - no way. Hang on tho'. I'm on social media now. Who's watching? Oh Hi guys, Mark, Jeff, Elon, Sergei, Vladimir, Xi baby. Didn't see you all in that shadowy corner.
 
The only exception to this are those poor souls who went missing on Malaysian airlines several years ago.
I still find it hard to believe that in this day and age they are unable to locate the fuselage.

Have a watch of this, lots of information is/has been available on the crash, it's pilots and where the flight ended up:

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Mercedes Me - no thanks. FB - no way. Hang on tho'. I'm on social media now. Who’s watching? Oh Hi guys, Mark, Jeff, Elon, Sergei, Vladimir, Xi baby. Didn't see you all in that shadowy corner.

Look into my eyes........:eek:
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I do respect people's concerns about their privacy, even though personally I do not share their concerns.

Then there are the conspiracy theorists amongst us, who claim that information-gathering can be used by the 'authorities' to oppress innocent people. To those I say that every single example I have seen so far of information-gathering being used by the authorities was for a good cause, mostly to prevent or detect crime or to reduce the risk from terrorism. I am yet to see an example of oppressive abuse of information-gathering by a Western regime. So yes, it is a theoretical possibly, but it just doesn't happen in real life. And the Range Rover case mentioned above is no exception.

So as far as I am concerned, the government can know about me and my movements all they want. It doesn't bother me. In fact, one day it might even be used to locate and assist me if I was in some sort of difficulty, or perhaps allow me to prove my innocence if I am falsely accused of any wrongdoing. But chances are that it probably won't affect me in any way.
 
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JLR handed the police a remote log of where the car had been on the day of the murder and even pin pointed when the boot was opened and closed - which the prosecution argue is when the alleged killer removed and replaced the crossbow. All without even going near the wrecked car as it was in the database at JLR.

The police must surely have requested it. I wasn't aware the police had the power to access car generated data but clearly it has.
 
The police must surely have requested it. I wasn't aware the police had the power to access car generated data but clearly it has.

They requested it and presumably had that request granted via a Court order, the Police would not have automatic access to such data.
 
They requested it and presumably had that request granted via a Court order, the Police would not have automatic access to such data.

I can't recall the details but when I had offices we would often provide cctv footage to the police, fights in the city and following an armed robbery at a nearby jeweller are two that I recall.
 
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This - effectively the police request a search warrant
 
That's why I always use an old car when I'm on an assassination or bank heist mission ...
The new car provides my alibi...
 
JLR handed the police a remote log of where the car had been on the day of the murder and even pin pointed when the boot was opened and closed - which the prosecution argue is when the alleged killer removed and replaced the crossbow. All without even going near the wrecked car as it was in the database at JLR.

What else? If they can trace doors being opened, presumably speed data is easily obtainable also. Then it's only the threshold for court approval for a search warrant protecting anyone exceeding a speed limit - however briefly.
 
What else? If they can trace doors being opened, presumably speed data is easily obtainable also. Then it's only the threshold for court approval for a search warrant protecting anyone exceeding a speed limit - however briefly.

Plus by the same route Insurance companies receiving data that may be used to reduce or invalidate claims.
 
Plus by the same route Insurance companies receiving data that may be used to reduce or invalidate claims.

Only if you have consented to the 'black box' - surely?
If the police and courts are rolling over for big corporations......
 
Only if you have consented to the 'black box' - surely?
If the police and courts are rolling over for big corporations......

There was a proposed law by the European Council not as yet approved by the EU Parliament as far as I am aware for the following mandatory systems

All new UK cars to have speed limiters by 2022 under EU plans

As say II am unsure if this has been presented to and passed by the EU Parliament but regardless of Brexit this may be an area the the UK aligns with as I imagine there would be significant pressure from manufacturers and Insurers for it.

Admittedly there will be millions of cars currently in use that will not have any of these features and itwill take quite some time for such systems to become tne norm.
 

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