Handguns - Yes? No?

[DSM10000]

That's an easy one, don't buy the sh*te then they will close, simples

I have never bought anything from them,

 

[bluevenetian]

So, out of a population of 63 Million you manage to drag out five names. I would say that supports the statement that things are well under control.

and out of that population of 63 million, exactly how many have access to a gun?

 

[Nyati]

and out of that population of 63 million, exactly how many have access to a gun?

Is ownership of long guns regulated in the UK? If so how, by type or how many you can own?

 

[Charles Morgan]

Rifles are regulated, the potential owner needs to be vetted, it has to be for a specific purpose (culling, vermin control) that the calibre is appropriate for the purpose (an elephant gun will not get approval to control rabbits), and good cause and fitness to own demonstrated. All ammunition has to be accounted for too. No automatic or semi-automatic weapons.

Shotguns, the burden is less onerous, and the Police have to show good cause to deny you. No shotgun can hold more than 3 cartridges.

In either cause, even lesser crimes would be grounds for removing your licence.

I own shotguns, none of the above bothers me.

 

[Spinal]

So here's another question given that no-one answered my earlier question...

With the prolific spread of 3D printers, the constantly lowering of costs of 3D printing, and the increased affordability of metal printers; how long will it be before someone starts manufacturing handguns in the UK for criminals?

M.

 

[Dieselman]

So here's another question given that no-one answered my earlier question...

With the prolific spread of 3D printers, the constantly lowering of costs of 3D printing, and the increased affordability of metal printers; how long will it be before someone starts manufacturing handguns in the UK for criminals?

A long while. It's cheaper to buy one made by traditional means.


BTW. I went to a local, genuine, Neapolitan Pizzeria recently and they had a wood fueled pizza oven in the premises to cook in.
Made me think of you.

 

[Spinal]

A long while. It's cheaper to buy one made by traditional means.


BTW. I went to a local, genuine, Neapolitan Pizzeria recently and they had a wood fueled pizza oven in the premises to cook in.
Made me think of you.

Is it really? I mean, just thinking about it, how complex is a revolver? A couple of steel pipes for the barrel and revolving element (couple of pounds?), combined with a mechanism from a 3D printer (plastic? 15p per cubic cm online) to make the "thing holding the bullets" turn... all that would really need to be metal from a printer would be the hammer/pin and whatever moves that...

(yes, an oversimplification... but doesn't seem too expensive)

EDIT: $25 according to forbes (admittedly, not the best made gun as it's all plastic... but that's just a matter of tweaking the design to use a metal 3D printer):
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...nts-testfiring-except-when-it-explodes-video/

EDIT2: Here's a better design... no mention of cost though:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...inted-gun-manufactured-in-the-us-8932953.html

 

[Howard]

So here's another question given that no-one answered my earlier question...

With the prolific spread of 3D printers, the constantly lowering of costs of 3D printing, and the increased affordability of metal printers; how long will it be before someone starts manufacturing handguns in the UK for criminals?

M.

Not long , you don't need a metal printer either

BBC News - Working gun made with 3D printer

 

[Dieselman]

(yes, an oversimplification... but doesn't seem too expensive)

EDIT: $25 according to forbes (admittedly, not the best made gun as it's all plastic... but that's just a matter of tweaking the design to use a metal 3D printer):
3D-Printed Gun Stands Up To Federal Agents' Testfiring--Except When It Explodes (Video) - Forbes

EDIT2: Here's a better design... no mention of cost though:
First ever metal 3D printed gun manufactured in the US - News - Gadgets & Tech - The Independent

For a plastics printer..

The gun was made on a 3D printer that cost $8,000 (£5,140) from the online auction site eBay.

 

[Spinal]

For a plastics printer..

Printer prices are coming down every day... I was looking at one a few days ago, and they are easily found on ebay for 600-700£ now.

Alternatively, there's a plethora of people who will print stuff for you, with prices starting at around £0.10 per cubic cm.

Even asda are planning to roll out 3D printers in their shops from next year on a pay-per-cubic-cm basis.

(and before someone asks, I've been trying to get some parts for my ford probe made... parts that can't be easily found, but would be ideal for a 3D printer... like the indicator-auto-disable levers)

M.

 

[Nyati]

Rifles are regulated, the potential owner needs to be vetted, it has to be for a specific purpose (culling, vermin control) that the calibre is appropriate for the purpose (an elephant gun will not get approval to control rabbits), and good cause and fitness to own demonstrated. All ammunition has to be accounted for too. No automatic or semi-automatic weapons.

Shotguns, the burden is less onerous, and the Police have to show good cause to deny you. No shotgun can hold more than 3 cartridges.

In either cause, even lesser crimes would be grounds for removing your licence.

I own shotguns, none of the above bothers me.

Thanks for the education. Can you legally hand load or reload ammunition? I hand load a .470 Nitro Double Rifle and use it occasionally to hunt deer. If you hand load you can vary the bullet weights and power charge and download cartridges. That way you can shoot a 416 Rigby that recoils like a 270 Winchester for practice and not have to deal with the recoil. Can you not do that in the UK?

 

[Charles Morgan]

I believe you can do hand loads, but I don't so I'm really not familiar with the regulation.

 

[markjay]

Thanks for the education. Can you legally hand load or reload ammunition? .... Can you not do that in the UK?

You most certainly can.

 

[MCFastybloke]

You can reload legally here in the uk,both rifle and shotgun,it is very popular with FAC precisely for the reasons you outlined.

 

[markjay]

Incidentally, you can legally own a semi-auto .22 rifle (e.g. the very pupular Ruger), but with any larger calibre including .223 the gun will need to be modified so that it requires manual intervention between shots (the equivalent of a bolt-action or lever-action rifle).

The general idea is to prevent rapid fire from anything larger than .22LR.

 

[Nyati]

If in the UK there are caliber restrictions how does that work?

You can shoot everything from elephants to dikdiks with a 375H&H. Would that be legal to own in the UK?

 

[Charles Morgan]

You would need to prove the need to shoot elephants. The largest UK quarry is deer, you wouldn't need 375H&H to shoot native species. So a big game hunter might be licensed for that calibre but not for use in the UK.

 

[markjay]

If in the UK there are caliber restrictions how does that work?

You can shoot everything from elephants to dikdiks with a 375H&H. Would that be legal to own in the UK?

H&H stands for 'Holland & Holland', a proud British firm.

 

[Nyati]

Incidentally, you can legally own a semi-auto .22 rifle (e.g. the very pupular Ruger), but with any larger calibre including .223 the gun will need to be modified so that it requires manual intervention between shots (the equivalent of a bolt-action or lever-action rifle).

The general idea is to prevent rapid fire from anything larger than .22LR.

Would it be legal to own an 8 Shot Ruger revolver like this in the UK?

 

[Nyati]

H&H stands for 'Holland & Holland', a proud British firm.

I know - Ive been to Holland and Holland on Bond Street in London. Very nice guys - never been in a gun shop where they wore coats and ties and wore white gloves before. Been hand making bespoke rifles for hundreds of years.