How not to get 12points

[Sidney Plowman]

In Saturdays Daily Telegraph was an article about Mr Loophole Nick Freeman ,in it it describies how he got the charges dismissed on an Ex Policeman on a second DRINK DRIVING charge but also he descibed how not to be charged for speeding when caught by a camera.
The way I see it say for example you have 9 points and you receive a speeding notice.You have a legal responsibility to provide information as to who was driving,so if you admit to driving you will get 3 points and a driving ban.
If you don't say it was you driving ,and ignore the notice,you then get a reminder;ignore that and you'll get a summons for the offence of failing to furnish.This may be a £500 fine but you will not get any points on your licence and can carry on driving.
This may or may not work and if you also use the services of Mr Freeman it may cost even more .
This shows how ineffective the law can be if you have the knowhow and the nerve to test it Sid

 

[Abbs985uk]

Not quite true, you may not get the three points for speeding but failing to provide details of the driver in itself carries 3 points!

 

[Sidney Plowman]

I did not know that it seems that they have got it taped
Sid

 

[Flash]

If you have friends abroad then problem solved and no need for any lawyer...

 

[Dieselman]

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[Swiss Toni]

Also deleted.

 

[Sidney Plowman]

That means that if Tiff Neadell's notice had been sent buy a 67pence recorded delivery.He would not have been able to claim that he did not recieve it and have his speeding charge dissmissed .

 

[Dieselman]

"There is a bloke on t'internet who sez that..."

I am not referring to me here, but I do know that this isn't what happens.

Ok. You are probably correct.

 

[Swiss Toni]

Delighted

 

[Rose Chap]

Wish I'd read this thread before all the seemingly interesting bits were deleted!

 

[Silestanix]

Ditto!

 

[Sidney Plowman]

Back to my original post it seems that if you ignore all the speeding notices untill you get a summons for failing to furnish, then go to court and tell the judge that you did not receive the notices;and if he belives you, as one did not so long ago ( Celebs dont tell lies) the case will be dismissed.Of course people dont tell lies in court as it is PURGURY and I belive you could be imprisoned.
Sid

 

[GrahamC230K]

Wish I'd read this thread before all the seemingly interesting bits were deleted!

Don't loose any sleep, you've not missed much.

 

[BenzComander]

OK, I receive a notice that my car has been caught on a speed camera, and I must "confess" who was driving it at the time.

I write back and say I do not know who was driving it on that day, as my wife and I drive the car regularly. I ask for "evidence" to be produced so that I can positively identify who was driving the car.

The likelihood is the camera took the photo from the rear of the car, and therfore with the high back seats fitted to my car, cannot with all honesty declare who was driving at that time.

Write back, stating the above, and asking for further guidance on how I should now proceed.

Done this twice in the last five years and still no points.

It is your right under British law not to incriminate yourself, and you have the right to silence.

However, if they have a lovely photo of you, exceeding the speed limit you are nicked!!

The point is, the camera system is a lazy approach to policing, and is reliant on the great majority rolling over and admitting guilt. It is your right to remain silent, so next time the local "Camera Safety Partnership " asks you for a £60 contribution to their social fund/Christmas P"£s up/holiday in the Caribbean tell them to poke off and provide proper evidence.

This whole system of prosecution is currently being challenged in the courts, and I look forward to the results.

 

[miro]

In Saturdays Daily Telegraph was an article about Mr Loophole Nick Freeman ,in it it describies how he got the charges dismissed on an Ex Policeman on a second DRINK DRIVING charge but also he descibed how not to be charged for speeding when caught by a camera.
The way I see it say for example you have 9 points and you receive a speeding notice.You have a legal responsibility to provide information as to who was driving,so if you admit to driving you will get 3 points and a driving ban.
If you don't say it was you driving ,and ignore the notice,you then get a reminder;ignore that and you'll get a summons for the offence of failing to furnish.This may be a £500 fine but you will not get any points on your licence and can carry on driving.
This may or may not work and if you also use the services of Mr Freeman it may cost even more .
This shows how ineffective the law can be if you have the knowhow and the nerve to test it Sid

In Australia you can voluntarily surrender your drivers permit and nothing can be awarded against you or any fine imposed as penalties can only be served against a valid permit.

You then cross the border and apply for a new permit as your last one was never disqualified.

 

[Birdman]

There's a case pending in the Hague over the use of self-incrimination under threat as the means of punishing drivers under UK criminal law. It turns on the principle of the citizen's right to remain silent when charged with a criminal offence. Something to do with that all-but-forgotten assumption of innocence until proved guilty. Politicians trot out this little ditty whenever they are caught in flagrante but forget all about it when socking the motorist.

There's a line of reasoning that recommends using every legal device to delay any Gatso-related hearings until after the International Court pronounces its verdict since their finding is expected to undo this breach of human rights, but the finding will not be delivered for a few months yet. Consult only with lawyers experienced in defending speeding charges.

As a fall-back, the UK government is already looking at making speeding a civil offence as well as a criminal offence, so that an administrative fine can be imposed without the same burden of proof that is required under the criminal law. This would mean points could not be put on to the driver's licence unless the driver were positively identified by means other than a forced confession.

Soon, forward facing cameras will ensure most drivers are charged under the criminal law anyway, if photographed travelling above the posted limit.

I foresee a rise in the sale of curiosity masks and flirting fans.

 

[SimonsMerc]

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-simon

 

[Flash]

How NOT to get Penalty Points...!!!

There are always “loop holes” in every legislation (especially in the UK’s judicial system…).

Well, thinking about this particular scenario if someone wanted to get away with penalty points BUT pay the fines then why not simply register “the car” to someone who does NOT have a license full stop!!! Then when penalty notices arrive for speeding offences get the registered owner to advise that hey cannot remember who was driving and cough up the fine BUT there is no way that the registered owner would receive any penalty points as he/she would not have a license to begin with…!!!

Think about it…

Edit: There is nothing currently in place to stop anyone from registering a vehicle to a child/baby who would not have to pay the fines...!

 

[Sp!ke]

Not sure how the insurance companies would like that....but otherwise, it sounds viable.

 

[Flash]

Anyone have any Grandad's that no longer drive or have a license...?