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A hospital porter with a salary at retirement of £14,600
would receive pension benefits of £11,900 each year, as
opposed to the £9,300 they would currently get in the NHS
Pension Scheme (2008)

Taken from this document. Bare in mind it is only a consultation Document.

http://democracy.kent.gov.uk/documents/s27629/D3 Appendix 1.pdf

Make you own mind up.

No apology forthcoming from me.

including state retirement pension?
 
I do believe that some posters here believe that the private sector is some idea of perfection we should all hope to achieve at some point in our life time. Please note it was the stupidity/greed/dishonesty of the private banking sector that created this mess. The public sector is in its current state because private bank debt was assumed by the tax payer...the public sector is not to blame. In fact most private sector employment is utterly dependent on public sector spending. From the railways and bus companies to the pharma companies, to the armaments trade to PFI to the road builders.


You may be right about the bankers...but can you advise which public sector workers produce anything...as opposed to servicing.
 
I've heard the public sector staff bleating about pay freeze and the like (sorry Finisterre) and it really gets my goat.

The private sector worker did not have the benefit of protection throughout the really nasty part of recession. I know (plenty) of people who did not get a wage freeze, but a savage cut. Others took the option of working a four day week with a corresponding cut in pay.

Pay rises have been singular non-forthcoming. I am self-employed and the recession has caused a painful hit to my income. Just because the public sector is not 'income producing' does not mean that they should be immune to economic reality of life.

Those in the public sector have a secure and gold plated pension, that 95% of the private sector can only dream of. The new pension scheme's don't seem that bad either, especially in comparison.

I'm not sure where the 'jobsworth' abuse comes from. Perhaps it's an institutional thing, but the current situation of teachers (and others) striking, who the general public already consider to be in a pretty good situation, while the private sector try and make ends meet is not going to help this.
 
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Not only are public sector workers on average paid more than private sector...when you factor in the notional cost of the employer contribution, you begin to see how well off they are. My wife, a nurse, thought she would have to leave the scheme if the changes are implemented...wrong...it would still be the best pension available.

sounds like a Daily Express soundbite not sure it's true though. Where it is true is in the privatised cleaning and waste collection...the outsourcing racket so beloved of the Tory party. In Wales the quality of outsourced hospital cleaning was so bad it was returned to the NHS. To make a comparison of wages you need like for like and this is not always possible.
Always useful as a put down though.

Public sector versus private sector
 
The boss class are currently Tory politicians, most head teachers support the strike.

Targets, ever diminishing results due to micromanagement, ofsted, and target culture driven paperwork. Look at Social Services or the Police, they have more people pushing paper than actually doing the job.

power- how do you discipline a child if you cannot exclude and you are required to make nine positive statements for every negative, it is barmy.

lucky old you. Me too. But if I walk off the job people do not die, children do not get neglected, teenagers do not end up in youth offending institutions after mugging old ladies.

Agreed. We have had ten years of dreadful top down micromanagement by bloody socialist beancounter authoritarian spendthrift politicians, borrowing excessively and living in some sort of la-la land.

None of which makes my Mrs a bad person.

Finisterre, if your wife is a teacher then she has my utmost respect - a job I wouldn't do in a million years. But we cannot pick out one profession from the multitude that were on strike - they are collectively the public sector.

We all live with a cruddy public sector because we know that most / all of their problems and handicaps - many of which you have listed in your post - are not of their making but are a result of incompetent governments.

I have a customer who is a large manufacturer in this country. Not long ago, the entire workforce of thousands agreed to an immediate 10% pay cut at all levels to keep the company afloat. Their final salary pension scheme was closed and pay-outs are forecast to be significantly less.

Nobody is asking anything more of the public sector than that they join the rest of the country in facing a longer working life and an increase in their contributions into their pension pot. However, the public sector (the whole of it - teachers, council workers, the lot) don't seem to want to suffer with the rest of us and as a result their reputation has been diminished.
 
I've heard the public sector staff bleating about pay freeze and the like (sorry Finisterre) and it really gets my goat.

The private sector worker did not have the benefit of protection throughout the really nasty part of recession. I know (plenty) of people who did not get a wage freeze, but a savage cut. Others took the option of working a four day week with a corresponding cut in pay.

Pay rises have been singular non-forthcoming. I am self-employed and the recession has caused a painful hit to my income. Just because the public sector is not 'income producing' does not mean that they should be immune to economic reality of life.

Those in the public sector have a secure and gold plated pension, that 95% of the private sector can only dream of. The new pension scheme's don't seem that bad either, especially in comparison.

I'm not sure where the 'jobsworth' abuse comes from. Perhaps it's an institutional thing, but the current situation of teachers (and others) striking, who the general public already consider to be in a pretty good situation, while the private sector try and make ends meet is not going to help this.

again this is an argument for better private sector pensions, join a UNION organise, stop wingeing
 
sounds like a Daily Express soundbite not sure it's true though. Where it is true is in the privatised cleaning and waste collection...the outsourcing racket so beloved of the Tory party. In Wales the quality of outsourced hospital cleaning was so bad it was returned to the NHS. To make a comparison of wages you need like for like and this is not always possible.
Always useful as a put down though.

Public sector versus private sector

Can you not put your argument without personal insult?

"Not sure it's true"...then on what basis have a right to argue the point, if you don't know.

As a comparison, £20,000pa in the public sector is the equivalent to about £24,000pa in the private sector...because of the huge benefit structure built into public sector wages. Except that the private sector does not get the £24,000.

And what does the public sector produce?
 
I had this e-mailed to me today

A banker, a school teacher, a Tory MP and a Daily Mail reader are sat around a table. In front of them is a plate, upon which there are ten biscuits. The banker scoffs nine of the biscuits. The Tory then turns to the Daily Mail reader and whispers in his ear: "Watch out, that teacher is after your biscuit..."
 
again this is an argument for better private sector pensions, join a UNION organise, stop wingeing


So, how does the self employed plumber provide a better pension or join a Union...and how would they strike.

That's rich...stop whingeing!!!
 
Can you not put your argument without personal insult?

"Not sure it's true"...then on what basis have a right to argue the point, if you don't know.

As a comparison, £20,000pa in the public sector is the equivalent to about £24,000pa in the private sector...because of the huge benefit structure built into public sector wages. Except that the private sector does not get the £24,000.

And what does the public sector produce?


What insult, none intended? Since Thatcher closed down much of British industry what does the private sector produce...mainly services too. Touche.
 
This is a good old ding dong this one.

Can I summarise:

"I am in the public sector and I am overworked and underpaid"

"I am in the private sector and you public sector people are underworked and overpaid"

"I am right"

"No you are wrong"

Ad infinitum..........


:D
 
So, how does the self employed plumber provide a better pension or join a Union...and how would they strike.

That's rich...stop whingeing!!!

the self employed are a small part of the private sector. Joining a UNION means the abilty to negotiate as a group, strike action is a rare event. Please stop blaming the public sector...the private Financial sector are at fault.
 
the self employed are a small part of the private sector. Joining a UNION means the abilty to negotiate as a group, strike action is a rare event. Please stop blaming the public sector...the private Financial sector are at fault.

Many private sector workers are in Unions...were they out supporting their better off colleagues yesterday, brother?
 
its your post you must know what it means, take the £100 pw state pension out and you are left with £4/5,000

No I don't know what it means I thought you were more informed than I. I was just taking a straw pole of information I found. I'll back out now and just watch as the battle swings back and forth.

I did say the figures were from a consultation document.

What we need is a freshly retired civil servant to tell us in rough figures what he gets as a pension. And is that with or without OAP.
 
the self employed are a small part of the private sector. Joining a UNION means the ability to negotiate as a group, strike action is a rare event. Please stop blaming the public sector...the private Financial sector are at fault.

Who cares whose at fault. You can sling mud in all directions. Public Sector controls should have stopped Financial sector etc...

What matters is what we do know to deal with the situation. Currently as the private sector does not have a 'bottomless' pit it has taken most of the pain. Public Sector is complaining at the inevitable attempt to begin to balance the books.

A vote would be interesting to see what the sympathy level actually is. It might be a tad controversial though...
 
No I don't know what it means I thought you were more informed than I. I was just taking a straw pole of information I found. I'll back out now and just watch as the battle swings back and forth.

I did say the figures were from a consultation document.

What we need is a freshly retired civil servant to tell us in rough figures what he gets as a pension. And is that with or without OAP.

Wes is mixed up...the state pension is not included in the public sector pension benefits...its on top of. But it is contracted out of the second state pension...so must provide a guaranteed minimum pension.

Part of the problem yesterday was that, when asked, many of the strikers had no idea what they would get before the changes, let alone after.
 

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