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renault12ts said:
Wes is mixed up...the state pension is not included in the public sector pension benefits...its on top of. But it is contracted out of the second state pension...so must provide a guaranteed minimum pension.

Part of the problem yesterday was that, when asked, many of the strikers had no idea what they would get before the changes, let alone after.
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I am not mixed up at all, the figure quoted fits that calculation, the £4,000 odd average and the £5,000 state pension.:bannana:
 
davidjpowell said:
Who cares whose at fault. You can sling mud in all directions. Public Sector controls should have stopped Financial sector etc...

What matters is what we do know to deal with the situation. Currently as the private sector does not have a 'bottomless' pit it has taken most of the pain. Public Sector is complaining at the inevitable attempt to begin to balance the books.

A vote would be interesting to see what the sympathy level actually is. It might be a tad controversial though...
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the bankers are at fault and still want and get their bonus's. I said before the private sector is dependent on public spending too.
 
A public sector worker will get an occupational pension benefit based on salary and service...plus the basic old age pension, based on NI contributions history.

The private sector worker (employed) will get a pension based on t=what he has manged to save (if anything), plus the basic oap, and the state second pension (if not contracted out).

Care to guess what the self employed are entitled to???
 
WesLangdon said:
the bankers are at fault and still want and get their bonus's. I said before the private sector is dependent on public spending too.
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Who pays the public sector...what do they sell... what do they produce? We know how they like to spend
 
renault12ts said:
Who pays the public sector...what do they sell... what do they produce? We know how they like to spend
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not as much as they used to before Thatcher; Steel, Coal, Gas, Electric, Water, Nuclear power, jet engines (RollsRoyce), BAe, BT and some rather poorly made cars, all gone from the public sector.
 
renault12ts said:
Local binmen here lost a day's pay yesterday...but are getting a day on Saturday (at time and a half) to clear the backlog...you couldn't make it up!!
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Fortunately our refuse collection is contracted out to private sector so ours were emptied as usual.

Can't wait for the Council to contract out more services...
 
WesLangdon said:
not as much as they used to before Thatcher; Steel, Coal, Gas, Electric, Water, Nuclear power, jet engines (RollsRoyce), BAe, BT and some rather poorly made cars, all gone from the public sector.
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You've made some good points in this thread but I'm afraid to say that, judging by this thread, the ConDems have managed to twist this 'situation' into a them & us/ private vs public sector war and they seem to be winning the war of words.

The problems of unions in today's world is that they will struggle to gather people together to stand and fight for what they believe in; these 'public sector' workers should have been out picketing yesterday and not shopping etc. (another piece of propaganda that's filtered into the nations psyche?)

I live in a town that was part of one of the biggest scandals in local politics history (google Donnygate) where the corruption of 'public sector' workers was rife, yet these same ways of working still carry on to this day.

The whole system, right from the politicians and chief execs down to the lowest paid public workers, needs to be dismantled and start again.
 
WesLangdon said:
Joining a UNION means the abilty to negotiate as a group,
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Cegotiate what, more pay, less hours, larger (if any ) pension?

primary school maths lesson:

Company A takes in xx revenue, it pays out yy as direct and indirect costs, which leaves zz profit.

So lets say we increase pay...Oops, profit gone...Ok lets say shorter working hours...Oops more workers needed, profit gone...Ok, increase pension payouts...oops profit gone.
If the profit goes the company goes bust.

You really don't seem to have any concept of the need to make money as a company to stay afloat, most companies are cutting costs at present in any way they can. If enough fail to do that the public sector will have no money at all to burn. Public sector staff need to make savings, just like private sector ones do.
 
WesLangdon said:
the bankers are at fault and still want and get their bonus's. I said before the private sector is dependent on public spending too.
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Left wing rhetoric.

The private sector is a lot bigger than just the banks. Even then the mega bonus is the exception not the rule.

You can equally say that the public sector is dependant on the private sector making money, employing people and paying tax. Its all a big circle which is why we all need to cut back.
 
Oh dear Margret Thatcher infant school economics rears its ugly head again; in a crisis like this a Government needs to boost demand. A recession is a collapse in demand for goods and services, you can't cut and hack your way out of a recession, do that and you make it worse and longer. Basic Keynsian economic theory means that Governments need/must take steps to boost demand otherwise we have the 1930's all over again. The current recession is remarkably similar to the events of 1929 (read 2008) credit bubble followed by panic and a collapse in demand. The outcome could also replicate the events of the 30's, mass unemployment, and war.
 
davidjpowell said:
Left wing rhetoric.

The private sector is a lot bigger than just the banks. Even then the mega bonus is the exception not the rule.

You can equally say that the public sector is dependant on the private sector making money, employing people and paying tax. Its all a big circle which is why we all need to cut back.
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see above about the effect of further cuts
 
WesLangdon said:
Oh dear Margret Thatcher infant school economics rears its ugly head again; in a crisis like this a Government needs to boost demand. A recession is a collapse in demand for goods and services, you can't cut and hack your way out of a recession, do that and you make it worse and longer. Basic Keynsian economic theory means that Governments need/must take steps to boost demand otherwise we have the 1930's all over again. The current recession is remarkably similar to the events of 1929 (read 2008) credit bubble followed by panic and a collapse in demand. The outcome could also replicate the events of the 30's, mass unemployment, and war.
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Who said Keynes was right though...spend spend spend...
 
WesLangdon said:
Oh dear Margret Thatcher infant school economics rears its ugly head again; in a crisis like this a Government needs to boost demand. A recession is a collapse in demand for goods and services, you can't cut and hack your way out of a recession, do that and you make it worse and longer. Basic Keynsian economic theory means that Governments need/must take steps to boost demand otherwise we have the 1930's all over again. The current recession is remarkably similar to the events of 1929 (read 2008) credit bubble followed by panic and a collapse in demand. The outcome could also replicate the events of the 30's, mass unemployment, and war.
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Is the German Chancellor up to something we don't know about??
 
Just had a look at WesLangdon's public profile. It says he is a Company Director.

Have you had to make any cuts Wes in this awful time we are going through. How are you doing with your workers wage demands and pension terms and conditions. Did you give your workers the extra day off for the recent Royal Wedding. Just curious is all.
 
renault12ts said:
Is the German Chancellor up to something we don't know about??
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German Chancellors are more concious of history than most and do not wish to repeat past mistakes, they are the only solvent country in the EU?
War is coming in Iran and maybe Syria too.
 
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