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Hypothetical speed question

Jimbo147

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If I, hypothetically speaking, was driving in a country with no speed limits and was able to achieve 308kph easily, with three passengers and a boot full of luggage, running on only 95 ron, fuel would 200 mph be possible? The car in question would be a facelift 2012 remapped c63. I am aware that there is a tolerance on the speedo but wasnt sure what people have had at vmax.
 
Are you planning something?

3 passengers?

Boot full of 'luggage'?

200mph?

Nudge nudge. Wink wink.

Ant. :D
 
Sorry mate but you'll never get that speed at this time of year in traffic especially towing the sleigh.
 
If you able to achieve 308kph easily then I would imagine trying a little might get you the additional 9 mph to 200. Maybe fold the wing mirrors in and add a couple of pounds of pressure to the tyres.
 
You would need a nice long stretch of road.
Once you hit 190mph it takes a while for the speedo to creep round, due to air resistance

However, with a long enough stretch it will go "off the clock"
 
Jimbo147 said:
If I, hypothetically speaking, was driving in a country with no speed limits and was able to achieve 308kph easily, with three passengers and a boot full of luggage, running on only 95 ron, fuel would 200 mph be possible? The car in question would be a facelift 2012 remapped c63. I am aware that there is a tolerance on the speedo but wasnt sure what people have had at vmax.


No.

No supercharged c63 amg on this forum ( some with a claimed 750bhp ) has reached 200mph yet at any vmax type event with official speed reading equipment.
 
So what speed was 308kph in real terms taking into account speedo errors?
 
No.

No supercharged c63 amg on this forum ( some with a claimed 750bhp ) has reached 200mph yet at any vmax type event with official speed reading equipment.

I think he is talking of Autobahn.....ChrisA had Acids C63 off the clock and still pulling.....calculated 212mph if I remember correctly.

Your right about VMax....even Jimmy with over 800bhp in the E63 could not hit 200mph at Vmax.....it was good fun trying though......well apart from me after ripping under tray and inner wing off at 190 ha ha
 
As I'm sure you know, the power required to increase your speed goes up exponentially foe each additional MPH.

This is why those last few clicks come up so slowly.

As mentioned above, you're more likely to get a noticable improvement in top speed by aerodynamic tweaks than by anything other than massive power increases.

If yoyu're feeling brave, the biggest improvement is likely to be covering (most of) the air intake "radiator grille" with duct tape, to direct air over the car, rather than through the engine compartment. Also tape-up door/bonnet/boot openings for an extra couple of those precious MPH.

Keep an eye on the engine temperature though!
 
As I'm sure you know, the power required to increase your speed goes up exponentially foe each additional MPH.

This is why those last few clicks come up so slowly.

As mentioned above, you're more likely to get a noticable improvement in top speed by aerodynamic tweaks than by anything other than massive power increases.

If yoyu're feeling brave, the biggest improvement is likely to be covering (most of) the air intake "radiator grille" with duct tape, to direct air over the car, rather than through the engine compartment. Also tape-up door/bonnet/boot openings for an extra couple of those precious MPH.

Keep an eye on the engine temperature though!

How would raditors behind the grille get any air?
 
How would raditors behind the grille get any air?

That's why I said Cover (most of) the.... You certainly wouldn't wanna doi it for long periods, just enough to get that top-speed run..

It's a tip I learned from Sir Malcolm Cambell when he achieved the land speed rexcord...
 
The 10% speedo error is just myth I think, every car I've had since portable GPS became available have been very accurate, still over reading as they should do, but nowhere near 10%.

At Terminal Velocity earlier this year I trapped at 181mph as the speedo clocked 186mph, only 5 MPH or 2.8%.

Way back in the day (2001) with a hand held Garmin eTrex my Y reg BMW 325i was indicating 70mph and the Garmin was showing..... 69mph.

This is assuming wheels and tyres are as standard.
 
10% isn't a myth, it's the max allowed. Most would be ~5%

"European Union member states must also grant type approval to vehicles meeting similar EU standards. The ones covering speedometers [5] [6][7] are similar to the UNECE regulation in that they specify that:

The indicated speed must never be less than the actual speed, i.e. it should not be possible to inadvertently speed because of an incorrect speedometer reading.
The indicated speed must not be more than 110 percent of the true speed plus 4 km/h at specified test speeds. For example, at 80 km/h, the indicated speed must be no more than 92 km/h.
The standards specify both the limits on accuracy and many of the details of how it should be measured during the approvals process, for example that the test measurements should be made (for most vehicles) at 40, 80 and 120 km/h, and at a particular ambient temperature. There are slight differences between the different standards, for example in the minimum accuracy of the equipment measuring the true speed of the vehicle.

The UNECE regulation relaxes the requirements for vehicles mass produced following type approval. The upper limit on indicated speed is increased to 110 percent plus 6 km/h for cars, buses, trucks and similar vehicles, and 110 percent plus 8 km/h for two or three wheeled vehicles which have a maximum speed above 50 km/h (or a cylinder capacity, if powered by a heat engine, of more than 50 cc). European Union Directive 2000/7/EC, which relates to two and three wheeled vehicles, provides similar slightly relaxed limits in production. "
 
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That's quite different to telling someone his 190mph was only 175 because average speedos are 10% out. I've never seen a speedo that far out on a car.

Just because a law sets a maximum limit doesn't mean that all speedos are automatically out by that amount.

Motorbike speedos are miles out at silly speeds however, but we aren't talking about bikes.
 
The 10% speedo error is just myth I think, every car I've had since portable GPS became available have been very accurate, still over reading as they should do, but nowhere near 10%.

At Terminal Velocity earlier this year I trapped at 181mph as the speedo clocked 186mph, only 5 MPH or 2.8%.

Way back in the day (2001) with a hand held Garmin eTrex my Y reg BMW 325i was indicating 70mph and the Garmin was showing..... 69mph.

This is assuming wheels and tyres are as standard.

My merc seems more accurate compared to GPS, but I had 3 Honda's before this, and they were all miles out.

165 on the clock was 150 on the gps.

Its not a myth.
 
I suppose manufacturers have to take loads of variables into account such as tyre wear, tyre expansion at high speed, tyre pressure and ambient temperature.
As a speedo is not allowed to read under then all the variances are one way hence the 10% figure.

How accurate are different tyre manufacturers tyre side wall height and therefore circumference compared with each other?
 
As a matter of interest what rating tyres would you need to exceed 185mph?
 

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