I.C.E in a nutshell

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  1. samuelellis

    samuelellis Hardcore MB Enthusiast

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    Dunno if you lot want this but hey, it took a hour so I don’t have to wash the car today (yippee :D)

    First of all some urban myths about ICE. Everyone seems to think that it is the baseball capped nova driver with ICE, wrong. Just like anyithg there are different sections of ice they are

    Mr/mrs average – they just want say a cd player to replace there tape deck or sommat just that bit better

    SQ – sq stands for sound quality, people in this category do allsorts to get the greatest sound in there car (use home audio drovers/horn tweeters/interior modifitcations for the greatest speaker position)

    SQL – this is a mixture of sq & spl

    SPL – someone who builds a spl car is after the greatest volume at a set frequency so they use big woofers, lots of amps, high box tuning so they can make there car really really (as in cant sit in the vehicle) loud for the few seconds that it takes to get the reading, these vehicles often have no rear seats.

    Streetbass – streetbass is kind of like spl but they don’t push the system to the edge & back, they tune low so there systems produce that low low bass that rattles yoru change in your pocket from 10 feet away, again these vehicles may not have back seats anymore to make space for the speaker enclosure (streetbass & spl can sometimes switch by the use of interchangeable ports)

    Kev – this is the image of car audio we all know & want to insert the exaust of there rusted nova into some of there bodily orrofaces. They usually have a install screaming brands like splx, vibe, sony etc etc. the kev system is not lout but it is distorted so it sounds loud & it travels unfortunately so people turn & look at there car.


    The basics of a ice install

    The head unit – this is the part where your cd’s tapes etc go in, some have a inbuilt amp, ignore the power claims they are absoloute rubbish, you may get 13-20 rms before the distortion kicks in

    Speakers – there are two types of speakers, coaxial & component, the co-axial speakers are generally more efficient so play better off a head unit amp as there is no power sapping crossover in the way. The benefits of coaxials are that they have the tweeter in the centre so you have a perfect drover (tweeter & mid unit want to be as close together) the co-axials downfall is that manufacturers don’t usually make them as well as component speakers but for under a hundred pounds co-axials are yoru best bet. Components are generally made to a better standard and sound better for it as long as they are getting a good clean source.

    Now we get to the fun stuff :D

    Subwoofers – we all know the subwofer & I personally feel that it is a worth addition to any car. There are two main types active or passive, basically the active subs have the amp & the sub all in one box. Usually with subwoofers there are different options you can have enclosure wise but I will cover that later.

    Amplifers – the amplifiers main job is to well amplify, nothing much needs to be said except ignore the maximum output & look for the RMS rating that will give you a idea of the actuall power the amp can deliver

    Buying the kit – the questions you have to ask are will this work together, usually the answer is yes but there are a few pitfalls to look out for
    -When buying a sub check its voice coils, is it a single or a double voicecoil, what si the ohms rating, if you have a single voice coil 2 ohm sub then you have to have a amp that can produce the power at 2 ohms if you have a dual 2 ohm sub then you have a choice, wire it up to show the amp one ohm or wire ti up to show 4 ohm (the lower the ohmage the more power the amp will produce but you need to know what ohamage the amp is stable to as some will shut down if you put too low a ohamge on it)
    -where to put the crossover on component speakers, me personally, I mount them in the boot & run 2 lenths of wire to the front doors
    -will I need any adapters, some naufacturers, heck some models may require wiring adapaters or fascia adapters to make your new head unit fit & work

    if there si enough interest I will continue & keep adding to this thread
     
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    Help With My ICE!!!

    Hi, I have a Year 2000 C180 Sport and have recently installed a Alpine9812RB CD System into it, The Headunit is supposed to pump out 60Watts per channel. My standard Speakers shound SH*T and i really need some help on which Speakers i should buy to replace the old ones.... Basically my freiend has the same sterio installed in his pegeut 306 and another friend in his corsa, both of which have 6x9's in them.... both of the two setups sound ace but they have changed thier standard speakers for 6x9's.... the merc is a bigger car... i know that to keep the original grills on the parcel shelf i can only use 6" speakers.... and same with the door speakers...... shall i power the parcel shelf speakers with another amp???? and the door speakers with the headunit??? which are the best speakers to use with my system and which amp shall i use for the parcell shelf speakers.?????


    PLease Please sumone help!!!!!!!!!!

    please contact me on donrajauk@hotmail.com
     
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    Not sure about which speakers to use off the top of my head. I'll check for you. What I do know is that my components in the front and subs in the back of my W210 E320 are all powered by an amp. This was a professional install by acknowledged experts and I followed their advice. You definitely need subs, though.

    Cheers, Jukie.
     
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    to bhav

    stay clear of 6x9's really & ignore the claims of head unit output

    what i would reccomend it go to a ice delaership & see hwo much it will cost for a 2ch amp & uprated compnents fitted, you WILL hear the difference, subs are needed but they cna come later

    i am of the opinion it is better to get a good front end first

    dont amp parce shelf speakers as it will pull the soundstage back, i ahve a old shape rover 200 (i cnat afford a merc yet) & that is about the same size as a merk (stop laughing) & evne on head unit power i disconnected the front speakers (i cant afford the 3800 for my amp & evne then i wotn ahve rear speakers)

    i reccomend goign to a car audio dealership (not halfords) as you dont sound the most confident person to be installign amps in your car (i am slightly tipsy so i will make any spellign amendmants when im sober)
     
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    read "totally pi$$ed" :bannana:
     
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    not that bad

    & besides its xmas & i aint with my lass so im allowed to get drunk
     
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    ok i'll steer clear of the 6x9's


    Um, havent been posing any replies recently been busy with family stuff wedding etc... allow that crap!!!!! anyway been to a place in lesta which my friend recomended, have been told not to install 6.5" subs in rear parcel shelf as i need free air subs :confused: anyway he recomeneded i should put 4 x midrange speakers in rear shelf and will get much better sound then installing 6.5" subs at the back... bass junkies tell me somthing different and offered to fit 2 x 6.5" rockford frosgate subs and 150watt amp and component speakers for rear door and front doors..... so now am even more confused then before!!!! still find it hard to believe that my mates crappy corsa sounds so much better then mine with his 6x 9's :mad: any way if anyone has any sugestions let me know....

    Help i need good sound need to show my mate the corsa driver who's boss!!!
     
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    So, the spoilt yoof who lives over the road and has fitted so much kit to his (very brainless) Mummys VW Golf that it requires an extra battery, spends long hours tweaking/showing off to nobody in particular and really getting on everyones nerves is possibly a true ICE enthusiast, not just a pathetic spotty little selfish cretin with too much money and no life who should be dropped into a deep dungeon and left to rot. ( I fell better now)

    I suppose he could fall into the catagory of a Kev with excessive kit, which is a pretty dangerous combination. But there is one thing which really makes him stand out above all Kevdom. He has failed his driving test five times and is confined to the driveway. :mad:

    If you read about some woman in Surrey who has had her car or car audio impounded under noise pollution laws it will be down to him: everybody nearby is really hacked off and the very, very stupid parent is already on a final written warning from the local Environmental Health Officer. She told my wife that we are all being just so mean to her little darling because we simply do not understand. He has special needs and requires an outlet for his latent talent.

    But I understand what he needs. And I would happily furnish him with an extra outlet!
     
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    Thanks fr that Satch. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
    Made a bloody awefull Monday morning almost do-able
     
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    Cheers, Satch. Now, where's my bat.......???????
     
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    anyway, back to bhavs question!

    upgrade you front speakers with a good midrange and tweeter combination i think it will be 5 1/2" or 6" will also fit! depending on budget mbquart (top end) if u have loadsa dosh to spend or the kenwood component set at around £90 is a good sounding set.

    for the rear, i have some 2 ways in the doors to keep the rear stage, and have 2 subs in a sealed enclosure in the boot (with various amps and eq`s and multimedia bits).

    so to sum it up

    1. upgrade the front
    2. add rear door speakers (may have to buy the adaptors, funnily only a few pounds each from the main dealers!)
    3. stick either a 12" or 2x12" for bass in the boot ( you will need to spend a good amount to get reasonable bass out of your car!)

    good luck
     
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    thanx alps, will try and find sum mb quarts then, am thinking of gatting a indash tv later but need to save up, am going texus for 6 months from work never been states before!!! so may have to get all that when i come back..... thanx for all your help guys!!! :D
     
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    hey sorry its been a while since i replied, i had personal reasons (ie my bitch of a ex dumped me and was cheating on me, i found out while i was driving and nearly wrapped my car wround a tree)

    anyway what was a i saying oh yeas thats it, i personally would jsut fit front components and leave the rears as stock, use the money that would ahve fitted rear speakers for money towards better front spakers, amplification, subs, what sort of budget are you lookign at - ps stay away from bass junkys, ive seen some of there work and it is well lethal to say the least

    Satch
    im gonna be fittign about 8 grands worth of kit inot a 306 (i want a merc, but finds arent there) that will require a 2nd alternator and bettery, not for more power but for a clean power source so i will thank you nto to tarnisn all music fans (well you gotta be to spend the moeny for a good system) with the same brush (i dont play loud near towns, schools anywhere liekt hat)
     
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    samuel, I agree mate ive got about the same amount in my merc, but this time ive gone for the quality aspect although the bass can be turned up to set off car alarms... not that id do such a thing!
     
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    i am expecting possibal structural damage as my bass sections are gonna be 2 daimond tdx 12 inch woofers with a dls a6 mono each, 4 diamondcm3 8 inch woffers sharing a dls a6 for some cabin bass (i aint gonns start talkign about the front soundstage as it gets complex) slightly ott i know but its better o ahve power and xmas in reserve than alwasy stranglign your kit for every last bit
     
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    I have no probs. with ICE, bass nor loud music per se. (guilty on all counts myself) just a real problem with the moron across the road. It is people like him who give the whole thing a bad rep. and that is what I really object to.

    S.
     
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    tbh id ignore him, although if he fitted a split charge system he must have some knowlege (saying that i set all my gains without speakers attacted as i scope the outputs, cant annoy peopel that way)
     
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    samuel, ive used my old kit as its taken me year to get it all together, sounds like a top setup ur putting in...

    id do the same.. but i thought id get the car first *dig* ouch.. sorry couldnt resist! :rolleyes:
     
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    i will probably ahve fitted this kit in 2 or 3 different cars before its finished and i know where i can get a 20% discount on diamond and DLS kit (think god)

    compred to teh work im puttign in for the front end this will be a bass light system
     
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