International Men's Day

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  1. Deleted96908

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    You can thank the iPhone's new news feature for this post - reminding me that today was International Men's Day and pointing me towards the following article:

    10 reasons we should be talking about male suicide on International Men's Day

    I've no idea why the DT chose that particular story, but reading just the first point had me shocked.

    Male suicide is a public health emergency. 13 men a day kill themselves in the UK, that’s nearly 5,000 men a year, accounting for 78pc of all suicides in the country

    What a shocking statistic and how many of you reading this had any idea? I didn't.

    It seems to me that society doesn't want to know. At best Doc will prescribe something dreary or hyper depending on your condition, perhaps recommend therapy and then, ten minutes later, you are on your own. These are not my experiences btw, but I do know a couple of close friends suffering and another who refuses to acknowledge his problem and instead drinks for England, Scotland, Ireland and (bloody hell) Wales every night of the week.

    So if all this isn't bad enough, imagine my shock when the next recommended article was this:

    Anger as University of York cancels International Men's Day event after hundreds of students and staff complained it would promote gender inequality

    University said it would continue to focus on 'inequalities faced by women'

    I appreciate, as best I can, the struggles that women face - but isn't the world going crazy? Can we just have one day a year to focus on us - or is it a man's world already and we/I should shut up and strike out against misogyny and think ourselves lucky as we are.



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    You got it.

    Just kowtow, tug a forelock, dip your head, and know your place.
     
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    Looks like a Chelsea Supporter to me!

    Posted as one myself and with tongue firmly in cheek. i do beleive the world is going mad or perhaps madder?
     
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    If I'd known it was men's day I would have gone down the pub this afternoon, it couldn't have been any less productive than working.
     
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    Suicide is the biggest killer in the UK of under 45 year olds. Common knowledge I thought.
    Less well publicised is that after some point this month women effectively work for free for the remainder of the year such is the pay gap.
    One is easier solved than the other. An International Men's Day will solve neither.
     
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    Earlier omission.
     
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    I knew an international man once ;-)
     
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    Fun night was it? ;)
     
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    Mourinho dream over perhaps?

    Whoops - football. Nick Nick


    6 hour days in some parts of Sweden now - in return for no social media or phone usage.

    Evidently the case in some households.

    :rolleyes:


    Come now, no need to be so modest.



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    Nonsense.

    While agree the "average" wage for woman is less I have NEVER worked anywhere that pays women less.
     
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    I can certainly relate to this from personal experience. Having been at a point where I've had things ready to do it, only the thought of my family has kept me from going through with it, as I wouldn't want them to suffer, so I have suffered the internal pain and anguish instead.

    Medication rarely seems to do very much and the health service certainly advocates talking therapies. What strikes me as weird is how, if they are concerned that you might self-harm / top yourself, they'll phone and ask how likely you are to follow through with those thoughts. Now, if you are seriously depressed and having these thoughts, are you really going to be in state of mind to best answer questions like that?! Would you even tell the truth? I don't know, although I have had those calls and talks before.

    Unfortunately, the NHS is under massive pressure when it comes to mental health issues, with funding unable to keep pace with the demands placed upon the system. There's a lack of specialists, hospital spaces, therapists, etc... So, whilst the government can spend £billions killing Johnny Foreigner, back home it is unable to provide sufficient funding to stop its own population killing themselves.

    It's a crazy mixed-up world, and sometimes I think I might be the only sane one and it's everyone that has the problem!
     
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    Misogyny is well known about, but how many are aware of the opposite: misandry...dislike of/contempt for men?

    YouTube has some revealing vids showing how ingrained this has become in our culture...women mocking men in TV ads, for example. If people talk of having equality, then misandry should not be tolerated imho. Then maybe males will start feeling better about themselves.

    Also, it is usually men who lose their kids in a divorce situation. How can this be fair?

    These two things can contribute towards men feeling lonely, isolated and worthless...suicidal sometimes. Pills are not the answer.
     
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    My apologies for responding to only a brief part of your post.

    Bizarre as it may seem and as painful as it is, a state's first consideration is the safety of its subjects, quality of life once it has been preserved, is a secondary consideration.

    Will that change? Not anytime soon. Take a look at how much attention the recent thread on the Paris suicide attacks attracted, whereas things closer to home, health matters especially, barely warrant passing interest. Until of course, it's somebody's own health or the health of a loved one that is threatened, then the situation reverses.

    I feel that way some days and I think most of us do. Few however have the balls to recognise that, let alone openly admit it. So whatever you are suffering from Chris, weakness of character is not part of it.

    Chin up mate. Never met you, probably never will, but always on the end of a phone or email if you want to share.

    Chris
     
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    Misandry. Nope never heard of it.

    Yeah why do women always get the kids? Especially if it's the women at the root cause of the issues. Thankfully a problem I hope I will never face. I'd rather burn in hell than leave my wife or kids.

    Society's notion of male worth is drenched in youth, machismo and consumerist success. Just look at the amount of hair dye on display in films and tv these days - that unpleasant red pallor atop many a famous middle-aged (waning?) star. It's alright though. Marry or covet a younger woman, rent a more powerful car, botox away those lines and creases, roll back the visual clock and for a moment, all is well.

    My point? Agreed pills aren't the answer. Instead, dish out hair dye, a younger woman, a phat merc and all seems well for a while - and probably cheaper for the NHS in the long run too.

    ps Mr Tune Up. IMNSHO, you've chosen the best username on the forum.
     
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    I'll happily take a nice new Mercedes on prescription, though swallowing it might be a bit of a problem!
     
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    Pride's the bigger mouthful I'd say.
     
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    That went a long time ago. I've always been quite open about my fights with depression and various other health issues.
     
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    Clearly, I've seen and commented on several of your posts here.

    However, in this case I wasn't referring to you - instead a general comment on the mental health of men and how they deal with it.
     
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    Which is why 'we' tend to be the ones killing ourselves. The whole 'big boys don't cry' mentality has a lot to answer for. Also, unlike women who tend to be social creatures, men tend to gravitate towards a solitary existence.
     
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    Solitary in mind perhaps, but not in terms of company - little difference between men and women in terms of living alone.

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    Source Daily Mail.
     

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