International Men's Day

[ItalianTuneUp]

To be selective in your "evidence" of history is not only abusive but also totally dishonest. Then others join in in an attempt to be ever more biased (they think witty or clever) like 8 year olds in the playground saying "rude words". One of the things I find most distasteful about my gender is the way when 2 or more are gathered together the conversation so often descends to the lowest possible denominator as they outdo themselves in crudeness and childlike behaviour. Men are so often afraid to stand out,say "hold on,thats a nasty,crude untrue remark" for fear of disapproval.

However as usual the real questions are evaded. How do such remarks from "feminists" affect you or the man in Barnsley? How do words far away compare with bodily injury done to women on an almost daily basis? How do a small number of female assaulters compare with the massive number of male attackers? Why do so many men appear to be frightened of women and therefore join in this persistent denigration of them? Men,what is your problem?

If you find what has been presented selective, then it is your prerogative to:

1. Explain specifically what gets you excited about the specific evidence presented.
2. Present contrasting evidence.

You have done neither, except go off on wild speculation, so it's hard, no impossible, to take you seriously.

 

[pipmk]

If you find what has been presented selective, then it is your prerogative to:

1. Explain specifically what gets you excited about the specific evidence presented.
2. Present contrasting evidence.

You have done neither, except go off on wild speculation, so it's hard, no impossible, to take you seriously.

Oh dear oh dear,what a confused person you are.

 

[ItalianTuneUp]

Well if that's the best you can come up with, then I pity you

 

[Deleted96908]

Well if that's the best you can come up with, then I pity you

So was I right? Do you owe me that pint or what?


edit: bearing in mind I don't drink, it'll have to be a coffee or carrot juice.

 

[ItalianTuneUp]

So was I right? Do you owe my that pint or what?

Ok then, it's a deal...a beer sounds good

Edit: oh I'll be driving, so it'll be coffee for me too!

 

[Deleted96908]

Better make sure we keep location private, else it (not sure of gender) might pop up again and scare the kids.

 

[Tim203]

^^^^^ Now now Kinder! Thought I'd stick my two penneth in and confess to being guilty of using the L word . Curious about the statistics on women killing men and men killing women, beating, raping etc. etc. Did I miss something reading this lot or did nobody ask what drove them to it? Having suffered as a youngster with a lot if mental health issues, depression and all the rest that goes with an enquiring mind, I feel very well qualified to say that most of the actions stated don't happen without a reason. Some people are driven to it through not having the words to defend themselves,others are mentally cruel because they don't wish to strike out, and some people are just very dislikeable and should know better and do know better.
In summary both sexes are different and as one of my best mates says" they're never normal like us"! Could probably be applied both ways.

 

[Deleted96908]

^^^^^ Now now Kinder! .

Kinder because we have a bit of fun at the expense of a troll?

 

[Tim203]

Kinder because we have a bit of fun at the expense of a troll?

Tongue in cheek and in the spirit of the banter naturally!

 

[pipmk]

.The troll who's been here longer than you,done more posta than you> Just because you and your mate have discovered some great universal truth from the net,the rest of us don't have to buy into your "women are taking over the world " fantasy.
As for Tim,what could possibly justify killing another human being, "I was provoked",oh jeez,grow a pair and behave like a man not an animal.

 

[Tim203]

.The troll who's been here longer than you,done more posta than you> Just because you and your mate have discovered some great universal truth from the net,the rest of us don't have to buy into your "women are taking over the world " fantasy. As for Tim,what could possibly justify killing another human being, "I was provoked",oh jeez,grow a pair and behave like a man not an animal.

Well, having had a very uncomfortable night lying with my testicles in a grow bag I woke up this morning bitterly disappointed to find that they hadn't got any bigger ..……

 

[ItalianTuneUp]

Hey Tim, did you follow the instructions carefully on the bag? It says you first need to eat one of these to provide enough nutrients:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/30/neckfiller_who_bacon_sarnie/

 

[Deleted96908]

Well, having had a very uncomfortable night lying with my testicles in a grow bag I woke up this morning bitterly disappointed to find that they hadn't got any bigger ..……

Not like you to talk b*llocks Tim.

 

[Tim203]

Not like you to talk b*llocks Tim.

Having done a degree in my oral exam and been quite successful I might add, I decided to go back and go for a doctor title (as one would really).

 

[NOMONEYBUTAMERC]

As per usual , this thread has moved from male suicides to war & peace wrapped up in einsteins entire works , tempered with , erm , ill tempers. I find it both shocking and very sad that , given all the news of gun/knife crime in the uk , there is little publicity given to the fact that 5000 males a year take their own lives . Around 550 people per year are murdered ( male and female) ,which puts the suicide rate in perspective.
Having recently lost a young lady , very dear to us , who battled cancer for over two years, and fought so hard to stay with us, I find it hard to accept that anyone would want to take their own life. We probably all know at least one person who battles depression , but it is perhaps the last taboo that we feel comfortable about confronting. From time to time , I suspect most of us have had to confront our own demons , and Xmas time is a hard time of year for any lonely soul prone to this illness.
Affluence ( or loss of ) , marital breakdowns, redundancy , health worries, lack of self -esteem and a multitude of other reasons contribute to people committing suicide . All too often , this could be avoided by a little help and compassion from others. I don`t have the luxury of believing in the afterlife , so I will stay as long as I can in this one. Never mind a day to focus on this issue , if you have a friend/relative, etc that has depression, just give them some of your time and support . **** me, that`s a mammoth post. Feel free to criticise !

 

[Tim203]

^^^^^^ Thought provoking and nicely put.

 

[Deleted96908]

As per usual , this thread has moved from male suicides to war & peace wrapped up in einsteins entire works , tempered with , erm , ill tempers.

You have to seek exposure by whichever way you can and as a consequence worthy causes gather friends as well those with their own agendas.

I find it both shocking and very sad that , given all the news of gun/knife crime in the uk , there is little publicity given to the fact that 5000 males a year take their own lives . Around 550 people per year are murdered ( male and female) ,which puts the suicide rate in perspective.

Yes agreed although the final act of suicide is only part of the issue as you allude to below.

Having recently lost a young lady , very dear to us , who battled cancer for over two years, and fought so hard to stay with us, I find it hard to accept that anyone would want to take their own life.

I saw your post on this subject for the first time a few weeks ago and believed, mistakingly that it was a new post. So I sat up for much of the night composing a reply, attempting to convey the strategy that we'd employed when my 16-year-old son contracted blood cancer in 2012. It wasn't until I gave my comments a final read the following morning, before posting, that I realised that things had taken a turn for the worse and that anything I had to say would be too late. For what it's now worth, I'd was going to advise pursuing trial drugs and if the decisions being made around the patient felt wrong (whatever that might mean), be prepared to move house and home to be near a more appropriate source of treatment. As it turned out, we managed to get my son fixed in the UK (currently 3 years into remission), although we were prepared to move to Germany to be closer to the source of the life-saving trial he was eventually enlisted on.

We probably all know at least one person who battles depression , but it is perhaps the last taboo that we feel comfortable about confronting. From time to time , I suspect most of us have had to confront our own demons , and Xmas time is a hard time of year for any lonely soul prone to this illness.
Affluence ( or loss of ) , marital breakdowns, redundancy , health worries, lack of self -esteem and a multitude of other reasons contribute to people committing suicide . All too often , this could be avoided by a little help and compassion from others. I don`t have the luxury of believing in the afterlife , so I will stay as long as I can in this one. Never mind a day to focus on this issue , if you have a friend/relative, etc that has depression, just give them some of your time and support .

Yes, the bigger issue is the acknowledgment of the problem and I wonder how much of the recent terrorism has some connection to a general lack of contentment rather than ideology, as is often claimed.

**** me, that`s a mammoth post. Feel free to criticise !

Not sure why folks would want to criticise. I'd guess many reading this, dare they venture to open the thread, will privately identify with some of the issues here - and that sadly for most, in terms of seeking help, will be as far as it goes.



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[Deleted member 113659]

My good old Dad has been fighting depression for over 10 years. Luckily for him he's blessed with an understanding and very helpful family that he knows are they for him anytime he needs help of any kind.

As stated by many posts here. Just the fact that we all (try to) understand how he feels is a comfort to him. He would never open up to anyone who doesn't understand.

He is currently in hospital facing the prospect of having both legs removed due to vascular issues. We are all very concerned for his future mentally & physically but he will continue to receive our unconditional love, support and total adoration. He is 71 on Christmas Eve.

Ant.

 

[NOMONEYBUTAMERC]

Thank you for your words and thoughts Patagonian. Unfortunately for Hannah, her experience was a catalogue of disasters. Having spent several days in hospital she was sent home , with no diagnosis made. On her third appearance at hospital (she rang the hospital in desperation ) she was in absolute agony , and was "lucky" enough to be seen by a surgeon who said it was imperative that he operated within hours , otherwise her bowel would burst. After lengthy surgery he declared that he was confident he had removed all cancer from her body. No chemo was given at that time. Some months later, she was told her latest scan was clear. A few weeks later she was recalled to the hospital and advised there were several tumours which had not been noticed until another doctor reviewed the scans.
After a course of chemo , she was advised she had three tumours ,and sent for more scans. Long story short, local hospitals said the tumours were inoperable. Scans were sent to a specialist in Hampshire, who said , I think i can operate, come in , and be ready for an operation. Visit to Hampshire , then told " you need a further scan ". months wait before scan , several weeks more for results , "sorry we can do nothing for you".
I am pleased to hear that your son had such a positive result, and may he lead a long and healthy life.I think there are a lot of good people getting to work on cancer cures/prevention , and it is such a shame money can be found more readily to fund warfare than welfare. Let us hope we can find a cure for cancer before humanity finds "the final solution".


To Happytalk 73. Sorry to hear about your dad , and hope he makes a speedy recovery. He certainly has some adjustments to make , but is lucky to have the support of a loving family. And I suppose that is the crux of this thread. Many who commit suicide perhaps do so because they have , or think they have, nobody that will be any the worse off without them. Some view suicide as the ultimate cowardice, others as bravery , either way , its tragedy.

 

[Bellow]

BBC iPlayer - Professor Green: Suicide and Me