Is this the beginning of the end of the petrol engine.

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https://www.media.volvocars.com/glo...releases/210058/volvo-cars-to-go-all-electric

Intrigued by the term 48volt mild hybrid all is explained in this excellent Jalopnik article. Because its cheap and is readily adapted to existing power trains I expect we will see a lot of these soon?
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Electric would make sense to me as my commute is 10 miles each way.

What's always put me off is the high purchase price and the fact that they tended not to be "normal" cars.
 

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I guess will see Hybrid cars becoming mainstream for centuries to come.

But I don't see pure-EVs becoming common any time soon - there's no charging infrastructure to support a mass migration to pure-EVs in cities, and we're still short of a few power plants (preferably nuclear).
 

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I guess will see Hybrid cars becoming mainstream for centuries to come.

But I don't see pure-EVs becoming common any time soon - there's no charging infrastructure to support a mass migration to pure-EVs in cities, and we're still short of a few power plants (preferably nuclear).

Plus every charge point I see at my local asda are occupied buy selfish drivers of petrol / diesel cars who think it's great to be able to park closer to the shop doors, so anyone who actually is in need of the charge points are screwed.
 

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I guess will see Hybrid cars becoming mainstream for centuries to come.

But I don't see pure-EVs becoming common any time soon - there's no charging infrastructure to support a mass migration to pure-EVs in cities, and we're still short of a few power plants (preferably nuclear).

Car manufacturers are looking at what? 7 year model cycles.

So within that time frame they probably are looking at shift to EVs taking on major momentum over say two model cycles.

So guess if EVs ramp up over the early 2020s then maybe 2030 or just after is the point where we're seeing the IC engine increasigly become the specialist choice?

If you'd asked me 10 years ago about vehicles I would have assumed by now we would see hybrids dominating taxis and delivery vehicles. That hasn't happened.

I would have expected to see more EVs in use as second cars by now.
 

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I can see cities going EV operation only.

Inter-city driving will I think, still require a combustion engine for a while to come. There needs to be much more charging infrastructure before EVs can be more widely taken up. I actually think that hydrogen and/or fuel cells will dominate in the future.
 

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Cities that forbid fossil fuellled cars will find they become wastelands housing warehouses for those who will shop wholly online If those who live outside the city are refused entry then they simply won't go. No trade, no prosperity.
 

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I can see cities going EV operation only.

Inter-city driving will I think, still require a combustion engine for a while to come. There needs to be much more charging infrastructure before EVs can be more widely taken up. I actually think that hydrogen and/or fuel cells will dominate in the future.

Gosh I hope so. Fuel cell must be the way forward surely. EVs seem to me to be a sticking plaster.
 

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Cities that forbid fossil fuellled cars will find they become wastelands housing warehouses for those who will shop wholly online If those who live outside the city are refused entry then they simply won't go. No trade, no prosperity.

Maybe, but if something isn't done to reduce the number of vehicles on the roads in cities, congestion will become even worse than it is now and (assuming fossil fuelled vehicles continue to be allowed) city air quality will become substantially worse too.
 

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Maybe, but if something isn't done to reduce the number of vehicles on the roads in cities, congestion will become even worse than it is now and (assuming fossil fuelled vehicles continue to be allowed) city air quality will become substantially worse too.

Does it matter?

If they become congested..so what? I wouldn't go there...people will change their patterns and those who accept congestion are welcome to it.

As for air quality...people have got to die somehow. The present preoccupation with helping people live forever will kill the world.

We have a huge problem with exponential growth in world population yet science is still seeking a cure for cancer...why?
 

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Does it matter?

If they become congested..so what? I wouldn't go there...people will change their patterns and those who accept congestion are welcome to it.

As for air quality...people have got to die somehow. The present preoccupation with helping people live forever will kill the world.

We have a huge problem with exponential growth in world population yet science is still seeking a cure for cancer...why?

For sure the elephant in the room is global population growth.
I think it's fair to say that people will continue to die. Having witnessed both of my parents die from cancer, I can't say I'd wish that on anyone.
 
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Cities that forbid fossil fuellled cars will find they become wastelands housing warehouses for those who will shop wholly online If those who live outside the city are refused entry then they simply won't go. No trade, no prosperity.

I attended a conference some 5 years ago where exactly this was predicted from a very reliable source.
Not due to EVs but more from shopping habits and commercial decisions.
How many of our city centres are full of charity shops and wine bars?
 

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Hi,
Volvo have cleverly worded their press release (and dull journalists are mis-reporting the facts).
Journalists are reporting that Volvo are only going to produce electric vehicles from 2019.

The fact is that all Volvo cars will have an electric motor from 2019 - most in addition to a traditional engine.
This means the majority of cars they produce will be hybrids - rather than pure electric - like Tesla.
If every car on the road was pure electric - the grid simply could not keep up, in most countries!
Cheers
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Steveml63 said:
Hi, Volvo have cleverly worded their press release (and dull journalists are mis-reporting the facts). Journalists are reporting that Volvo are only going to produce electric vehicles from 2019...

I think the statement actually says on models introduced from 2019 onwards. Meaning any existing IC models introduced before that date will continue to be produced.
 

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Does it matter?

If they become congested..so what? I wouldn't go there...people will change their patterns and those who accept congestion are welcome to it.

As for air quality...people have got to die somehow. The present preoccupation with helping people live forever will kill the world.

We have a huge problem with exponential growth in world population yet science is still seeking a cure for cancer...why?

If they are to die, let them do so, and reduce the surplus population?

You are Scrooge AICMFP
 

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Potentially the most interesting information in the report is that Teslas valuation at $58M is a quarter bigger than that of Ford.
 

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