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It doesn't wash

Matt32AMG

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Dorset UK
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June 2002 SLK32///AMG. OCT 2007 CLK350 AMG Sport Convertible.
So I ‘m there at the dealership, again, with regard to my CLK alloy wheels.
They have been refurbished three times in total all within the last year. The last time they were done was the back end of November 2008. The reason they were refurbished instead simply providing new wheels on warranty was because one wheel had been refurbished prior to my purchasing the car. The MB salesman didn’t allude to this fact at point of purchase. The car was an approved MB car with all the approved warranties, except it would seem the wheels. This again was not pointed out at time of purchase. The car was an unmarked example with 12000 miles on the clock, today it has covered 16000 in total and hasn’t been exactly issue free. :(

Anyway to continue, I went down to the dealership the day before yesterday to say that three times you have attempted to put this right and here I am again with a similar complaint, the lacquer is peeling off and the paint has started to pickle. (I was speaking with the sales manager who I’ve not met before and it would seem a new man on the job). His response to my concerns after giving him the history was "lets go have a look". On looking at the wheels he said “They look alright to me”. I said “you have got to be having a laugh look!” I pointed at clear areas of concern where the paint was pickled and lacquer had flaked off. He said “They look fine to me and besides, you probably washed the lacquer off!!” At this point I expressed in only the way I can when annoyed, that he was in fact insulting my intelligence and was.... p_ _ _ing me off! I went and fetched the Service Team Manager to point out the areas of concern to the Sales Manager. This I have to say he did without hesitation. I explained “Your 'man' here can’t seem to find fault with my alloy wheels, could you be so kind as to point out the various areas of concern as discussed the day before etc? I deliberately pointed to the flaking lacquer on the wrong wheel. “No” said the Service Team Manager, “it’s on the other wheel, the paint pickling is on the nearside alloy”. This did everything I hoped in that it underpinned what I was saying to the Sales Manager, who was off with me for referring to him as the service team mangers 'man'. (He said as such in hushed tones in my left ear, like I'm bothered though have taken mental note). After the clear points of issue having been pointed out he conceded to refurb two wheels. I said “No you can refurb all four wheels and do the job properly, and that means bead blasting back to metal etc, not just a light rubdown and blow over”. I went on “Your organisation have had three goes at this already using non approved MB shops to do this work” (I found this fact out prior to my last visit), but this time you will do this work in an approved MB outlet, and you will convey to me the processes being used! I then went on to ask who the directors are of this establishment, as I would be speaking with them regarding this entire fiasco.:mad:

I haven’t yet spoken with the directors in question as yet, this is happening Monday, but I actually believe, given the circumstances, I should be asking for four new alloy wheels, I will also be pointing out that I certainly will have huge reservation regarding ever purchasing another car from them, and will refuse to have anything else to do with the sales manager, he’s a T_ _ _ _ r, who talked to me in a threatening manner. Call me a snob here, but his whole appearance, dishevelled and unshaven combined with his offhand dismissive demeanour ran me right up the wrong way. He seemed to forget, it’s people like me who pay his wages!

Depending on outcomes here I may even withdraw all my cars from their care I feel that strongly about this experience.

Thoughts ???
 
Sorry to hear of the problems - any pics?

Will
 
Hi Will,
yeah it just sucks!

I'll try organise some pics later as my other half is out in the car today

Regards
Matt
 
Have you tried calling MB Head Office - they seem to take poor service pretty seriously?
 
Matt. Name and shame.
 
It was this type of service and attititude that led me to decide never to buy another Volvo.

Their loss, and I don't regret it for a minute.
 
Hi Matt - keep going! I've just moved to dorset and have had good service at my old MB main dealer so to avoid mistakes is the one which you are having trouble with in Dorchester? I believe that there is only one MB franchise in dorset and Poole and Dorchester are the same company?
 
Have you tried calling MB Head Office - they seem to take poor service pretty seriously?

Yes I did think of that, I'll see how the meeting goes on Monday with the directors before I take the next step

Regards
Matt
 
It was this type of service and attititude that led me to decide never to buy another Volvo.

Their loss, and I don't regret it for a minute.

The irritating thing is that the service department has always tried their best to sort out issues. OK, I did get fierce with them once or twice over various shinnanaggins regarding the seats in my SLK, but since that, they've been pretty good.

I've kept going there because I felt my AMG car that I've had from new, required a FMDSH to ensure proper software updates and warranties were honoured. However, through the jumped up attitude of one salesman (manager so he calls himself) is making me rethink this entire philosophy as when the chips are down loyalty seems to count for not a great deal. I mean I have spent over £100,000 in that establishment in one way or another, both on cars, servicing, and goods. Potentially their loss and someone elses gain. DOH :(

Thanks
Matt
 
Doesn't sound good.

The Directors have a great opportunity to leave a positive impression if they handle this appropriately. Let's see if they take it.

Keep us posted.
 
Am I right in spotting your car is a 2007 registered car? If so that is only 2 years old. What has a used car warranty got to do with it? If this car is under 3 years old it should be covered under the new car warranty and all wheels should have been replaced.

I apologise if I have misread anything .......
 
Hi Matt - keep going! I've just moved to dorset and have had good service at my old MB main dealer so to avoid mistakes is the one which you are having trouble with in Dorchester? I believe that there is only one MB franchise in dorset and Poole and Dorchester are the same company?

Hi elpetrol, thanks for the support as of course to everyone who has replied to this thread!

I think I have to be seen to be acting in a politically correct way in what I say, and give every opportunity to the outlet in question to put things right. I mean it is wrong to tarnish the entire outlet over the actions of one individual as I'm sure you will agree and understand. Though I admit already having had three bites at the cherry to sort this issue out is pushing ones luck! :doh:

I feel sure the MD and Directors of the repective outlet will be horrified at the thought that a member of staff has just cost them £££thousands on an annual basis through lost earnings on servicing and maintenance charges, nevermind future car sales. This guy seems to have forgotten the market is currently in recession, and no-one can afford to lose customers through, arrogance and rudeness.

I've been going to the dealership in question for nigh on 9 years, and all through this one mans attitude and actions, I'm seriously looking at my options. To have the wheels refurbed would cost, worst case, £360.00 in a super custom finish, this at the Wheel Specialist in Fareham, who did a spiffing job on my SLK32amg wheels last Christmas, ( FYI they do a fair amout of wheel refurbishment on behalf of MB dealership cars as well as a few chaps on this forum).

However this can all change overnight if I don't get reasonable outcomes this Monday, and I will not pull any punches.
 
Doesn't sound good.

The Directors have a great opportunity to leave a positive impression if they handle this appropriately. Let's see if they take it.

Keep us posted.

Totally agree, lets hope common sense prevails :thumb: I'll keep you posted
 
Am I right in spotting your car is a 2007 registered car? If so that is only 2 years old. What has a used car warranty got to do with it? If this car is under 3 years old it should be covered under the new car warranty and all wheels should have been replaced.

I apologise if I have misread anything .......

Absolutely agree wuith you :thumb:, and no you have not misread anything and is why I'm kicking up about it.

Cheers
Matt
 
The reason I mentioned this was I bought my car off my company so I was second registered owner (still am :D). I had a bit of a bubble on my front wheel when the car was 2yrs 6 months old. Went to the dealer - he looked at it (why involve the sales side - I went straight to service) - agreed it wasn't right - took a photo and then went over the other three wheels and spotted another I had missed. Sent photos off to HO..within 4 hours I had a call saying warranty REPACEMENT with new wheels had been approved.

If I was in your position - I would now be demanding brand new wheels from MB - you have bent over backwards to accommodate them - but - if they cant be replaced because the dealer has refurbished them - why is that your problem when a new car warranty would have automatically replaced them.

Good luck.
 
The reason I mentioned this was I bought my car off my company so I was second registered owner (still am :D). I had a bit of a bubble on my front wheel when the car was 2yrs 6 months old. Went to the dealer - he looked at it (why involve the sales side - I went straight to service) - agreed it wasn't right - took a photo and then went over the other three wheels and spotted another I had missed. Sent photos off to HO..within 4 hours I had a call saying warranty REPACEMENT with new wheels had been approved.

If I was in your position - I would now be demanding brand new wheels from MB - you have bent over backwards to accommodate them - but - if they cant be replaced because the dealer has refurbished them - why is that your problem when a new car warranty would have automatically replaced them.

Good luck.

I couldn't agree more with you and my point exactly, however they are saying because one wheel was damaged and had been refurbed prior to me taking delivery of the car, the warranty is void. I disagree as I knew nothing of this, and it was not made clear at point of purchase, and some weeks after when issues first became apparant. I made this very point to the sales manager the day before yesterday.

In my view, it breaches my consumer rights, by the dealership knowingly selling substandard goods under the heading of Approved used cars that are still under full MB warranty when clearly its not. Its misrepresentation in my book. At no point did the sales pitch say - Full MB warranty except the wheels coz ones been fixed. In an attempt to do the job on the cheap they went to a non MB approved outlet to refurbish them.

No I agree I should have had new wheels at get go, even the service manager said as such initially, but because one wheel had been re finished said it didn't count.

I will push for new wheels.
 
OK - to be fair to MB - the car was in good order when you bought it. BUT..how does having ONE wheel refurbished prior to purchase void the warranty on FOUR wheels. Playing devils advocate - the least you should be offered is the damaged wheel again refurbished to MB standards and any of the other THREE wheels replaced if they too are showing signs of peeling etc.
 
Guy’s an update regarding my CLK wheels...
After meeting with the Area Sales Director at my local MB Dealership, it would seem that the art of negotiation isn’t entirely lost.

I explained my position in that they had attempted to resolve the issues with the wheels three times and on each occasion had proved un successful. This was due to poor preparation in the first instance, the refurbishment company used hadn’t even bothered to remove the tyres they just masked them off and did a light rubdown and blew them over!! They had failed to strip the wheels properly and then apply the various processes etc to ensure the perfect finish.

I pointed out that I had been using their organisation for some nine years and had spent nigh on £100,000 in that time on cars/servicing and maintenance, and if that custom isn’t worth retaining by doing the job properly at the cost of £360 odd quid at the Wheel Specialist at Fareham for example then I will take my custom elsewhere, you do the numbers and work out the cost of that decision process.

I went on, how I have been treated by the sales manager is totally unacceptable, all the lengths gone in an attempt to and reconnect in customer relations by the dealership, be it sales and after sales has been undone in 5minutes by the arrogance of that man who couldn’t even be bothered to bend down and take a proper look at the areas in question. This was capped off by his insulting my intelligence suggesting I had washed the lacquer off! I pointed out “It takes twenty years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it.”

His response was to first state that he was extremely sorry that this had occurred and obviously I got off on the wrong foot. I said that this man’s whole demeanour of disinterest that did it for me, I was polite right up to the final comment he made suggesting that I was of washing lacquer off. This after I had explained the history of the car and the numerous attempts to put it right. They hadn’t even had the work done by an approved MB refurbishment company!

Anyway the long and short was he asked that their official paint shop took a look at them, and they ‘ll report back to him regarding condition etc (Originally the AS Director was under the impression only two wheels needed doing, to which I rejected), and we’ll take it from there. To which I agreed, confident that any professional worth their salt will see my point.

These people pitched up earlier last week to look at the wheels at my home address. On first glance he remarked, horrible, just a horrible job had been made. He pointed out where you can see where they didn’t even take the tyres off and masked up! The wheels hadn’t even been properly de greased either, never mind stripped. (This is evidenced by little pock marks or imperfections in the finish where the paint hadn’t adhered to the surface). Having made is observations he said he would report back to the dealership.

Yesterday I had a call from my MBD to say that they will allow me to take the wheels and have them refurbished at the Wheel Specialist at Fareham where I had my SLK32 wheels refurbed last year, (they did a spiffing job). This was because their paint shop were not set up as yet to do the job properly, as it required various machinery such as bead blasting booths etc to be able to properly strip the wheels in all the nooks and cravasses such as wheel nut returns.

Once done I provide the receipt and the dealership refund the cost....:bannana:

The car is booked in on the 24th of this month :thumb:
 

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