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Just test drove two Smart cars

Whilst I agree that the 500 looks kind of cute in a puppyish sort of way, I don't think it is a car suitable for any self respecting heterosexual male do you?

If I were in the market for a small runaround it would be near the top of my list, but then I've always had a soft spot for Fiats. The 500 is a (perhaps too) frequent sight around London, and I'd say there seems to be about a 50/50 split in the gender of the drivers I've seen. Haven't quizzed them about their sexuality, though... :o
 
60MPG is achievable from my wifes bus of a Volvo and I could get two decent ones second hand for the cost of a smart.

Er.. so the solution to your problem was right under your nose all along? :dk: Quit your jibber-jabber and get an old bus of a Volvo. :)
 
Whilst I agree that the 500 looks kind of cute in a puppyish sort of way, I don't think it is a car suitable for any self respecting heterosexual male do you?

You could have a makeover and say that you are a metrosexual.
 
Those NewCar4me PCP deals are more expensive than directly from the main dealers. How do they do business?

The Fiat Panda looks to be the bargain of the bunch @ £5999 OTR but I'm not sure I could live with driving one everyday for 3 years. I know my wife wouldnt be seen dead in it.

It surprises me that you only get 45-50 MPG from a smart? What on earth is the point of them then? 60MPG is achievable from my wifes bus of a Volvo and I could get two decent ones second hand for the cost of a smart.

In fact the more I think about this, why are little super mini's not really any more economical than big family cars? Less refinement or development maybe? Maybe they just build them to a tight budget with older tooling and wider tollerances or something? However you look at it, unless you are a youngun restricted by insurance costs, I'm not sure I get the whole small car thing.

Hi. I'm not sure if the 45mpg is still a reply to my comment or a new one to someone elses? But I'll chip in anyway :)

My wife gets about 45mpg in her 2004 ForTwo. Her commute to work is only about 8 miles and drives through a town centre with all the usual junctions etc, so in my mind 45mpg is quite good. On motorways 70mpg is achievable, though not if you do 80mph.

Buying a Smart car is definitely a conscious decision rather than a default choice, if you know what I mean. I well understand why the car doesn't suit some people.

With regards to mpg in small cars being similar to larger cars I think it very much depends how you drive them and in what conditions; city vs. motorway. At constant speed the reduction in mass is not such a big saving in fuel than when in cities and having to accelerate often. Horses for courses.

My A2, whilst no longer being made, so possibly not a suitable choice for you, ticks many of my boxes. Small enough exterior wise, but plenty of room inside, easy to drive in cities but still comfortable cruising on motorways and most importantly for me, very economical in all driving conditions. Not yet have I had less than 60mpg. Their greatest flaw, is the price, but you'll get good residuals so you'll see a good share of your money back if you sell 12 months later.
 
You can see the mpg of our Smart below - it's done just over 1000 miles so hopefully we will see improvement in fuel economy. Mostly 15 mile journeys done at highway speed.
 
Hi

I got 3 for two smart cars love them. Nice cars

Acid
 
What sort of mileage / use does Mrs. Sp!ke do ?

Maybe a swap is the answer ........
 
What sort of mileage / use does Mrs. Sp!ke do ?

Maybe a swap is the answer ........

Thats what she keeps on saying :D

But the SL is mine.... if I swapped with the wifes Volvo I might as well have not bought it in the first place.

At least if I buy a smart or something to commute in, the SL will remain nice and clean and warm and snuggly in the garage.

I'd could commute more on one of the motorbikes I suppose but the problem is when the whether is suited to riding the bike it'll also be suited to top down motoring. :o
 
For that money I would go for an Aygo/107/C1. A 'proper' car, better stability, 4 seats, but still with a characteristic 3-pot engine. As much as a Smart is fun, the Aygo/107/C1s are more so. A bit more basic inside, though.

Quite a few people on the smart forums have tried the above. No one liked them.

It surprises me that you only get 45-50 MPG from a smart? What on earth is the point of them then? 60MPG is achievable from my wifes bus of a Volvo and I could get two decent ones second hand for the cost of a smart.

In fact the more I think about this, why are little super mini's not really any more economical than big family cars? Less refinement or development maybe? Maybe they just build them to a tight budget with older tooling and wider tollerances or something? , I'm not sure I get the whole small car thing.

No, you don't get it do you?! Try zero road tax, Gp1 insurance,ease of mobility, easy parking, clutchless transmission still with fuel economy that no auto could ever hope to achieve. How can you even consider comparing a Volvo to a smart?

If you want the built to budget thing then all the majors will give you a big car made small ,eg Polo, and with better motorway mpg as well, but none will touch a smart for city mpg.
Or for the inherent safety and options list. Cruise control as an option on a £6k car 10 years ago! Let alone the included kit ABS, EBD, ESP, CL, EW, seat belt pre tensioners, air bags, 6sp sequential transmission, turbocharged, proper seats - all as standard for the last 10 years. Paddle shift, leather, aircon, cabrio, all available depending on model. And serviced at a Mercedes dealer.
Still want an Aygo, or a Polo? Or a Volvo truck? What's it costing to tax the Volvo? How managable around town? Easy to find a parking space? People let you out at junctions?
 
Buy a Smart for her and use the Volvo for your 18k miles
 
Still want an Aygo, or a Polo? Or a Volvo truck? What's it costing to tax the Volvo? How managable around town? Easy to find a parking space? People let you out at junctions?

In defence of the Volvo, Tax is 180 ish a year so I'll give you that but I've never found a problem driving around town, never had a problem parking in town either (even in my stretched limo) as spaces are designed to fit normal cars, Junctions have to be easier in a quicker car surely?

.... and the barge of a Volvo gets me 60mpg on my rush hour commute (bizarrely better than a smart it would seem) with a hell of a lot more power at the dispersal of my right foot, a great deal more comfort, a better ride, more toys, an infinitely better stereo and whole lot more safety.

So no, I'm still not totally convinced by the whole city car argument (although I'd really like to be).
 
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You can see the mpg of our Smart below - it's done just over 1000 miles so hopefully we will see improvement in fuel economy. Mostly 15 mile journeys done at highway speed.

Ouch - 44.9mpg seems pretty low to me. I've done 5000m in the first year with my Aygo, and I've had: 55, 50, 62, 54, 55, 54, 53, 49, 51, 54, 59, 62, 54 (all brim-to-brim filling). And I'm not 'driving Miss Daisy', either - I use the AC, do 65-80mph on the motorway, and have to do my daily PO/bank runs with it, too. :)

Spike - I'm a bit OCD with my record-keeping, so I can be 100% sure on the above figures. If you can (genuinely, without any self-delusion) get 60mpg on your commute from the Volvo, just go and get another one. It's that simple. :)
 
In defence of the Volvo, Tax is 180 ish a year so I'll give you that but I've never found a problem driving around town, never had a problem parking in town either (even in my stretched limo) as spaces are designed to fit normal cars, Junctions have to be easier in a quicker car surely?

.... and the barge of a Volvo gets me 60mpg on my rush hour commute (bizarrely better than a smart it would seem) with a hell of a lot more power at the dispersal of my right foot, a great deal more comfort, a better ride, more toys, an infinitely better stereo and whole lot more safety.

So no, I'm still not totally convinced by the whole city car argument (although I'd really like to be).


Drive one! The arguments I made only seem real once you have driven one. Let me put it this way. When my smart was in for a repair I was given a Renault Clio for a few days. I can't tell you how cumbersome the Clio felt! When a car is so lithe and agile it makes a Clio seem awkward - then surely there is a quality there that can only be understood by driving one.
Another almost party trick of a smart is being able to U-turn. And capitalising on it. Not just when you accidentally are going the wrong way, but when you purposely go the wrong way to easily join a traffic flow then executing a U-turn (where in anything else it would be a 3 pointer that no one will give you time or space for) to regain your direction of travel. Until you have experienced this, it is hard to believe how useful it really is!

Other points you raised. They have plenty power enough for the intended use and the early turbo models have a wholesome grunty torquey delivery that makes them feel much quicker than they actually are. Allied to excellent visibility from a highish seat position, they are formidable in the city. Then there are the gaps they squeeze through that nothing else can. And I do mean nothing else. Toyata IQ? Forget it - it's the width of a bus. Call it IQ but it still aint smart! Anything quicker is a waste in town. But you already know that...

Fuel. No way carving around the town are you going to match a smart for economy. The laws of physics don't allow for it.

Comfort? Conceded to the Volvo, but agility is much more FUN!
Toys? Of course you have them. But can you buy the Volvo new for a 4 figure sum? Smarts also hold their value - and in there is a king size clue as to how highly regarded these cars are.

So, go give one a whirl. Here are the three most likely outcomes.
1) Blown away by it. Utterly charmed by its character. And the robust quality it exudes.
2) You can see the worth but finding it a little idiosyncratic to drive, you appreciate they take a bit of learning to master and get the best from. A bit of a challenge then, but when mastered, a car with no real competitors.
3) Hate it. It's possible. And if that happens, so what? Go back to the Volvo, praise yourself for being adventurous enough to have tried something new, and enjoy the Volvo all the more for having its case endorsed.

Why wait? The dearth and cost of all fuels will soon see us all downsizing at some point. How much better it feels to choose to do it than wait and be forced..
 
FWIW I am in the Volvo camp and have run them all my life right from the P1800, through the 244's to S60, S80, V70 and now a V50

My V70 T5 with 300bhp would easily do 38mpg on my commute 40 miles each way to work. My S60 D5 Diesel did around 52 mpg and My V50 1.6d averages 58+ MPG. So the fact the OP gets 60 mpg from his does not suprise me at all.

All this hype about city cars is b*llocks and I rule them all out on one very important factor SAFETY when considering a car just ask the question would I put my wife and kids in that? Would they survive if it were rear ended by a truck at 50 mph? For the KA, Fiat 500, AYGO, IQ et al the simple answer is no they would not. No matter what the NCAP ratings say they do not reflect life in the real world. I have seen some what I would call relatively minor incidents in city cars that have ended in fatalities where had it been a family saloon then the outcome would have been different.

If you want safety with economy then go for a modern TDi of a decent size theres plenty to choose from now and IMHO it does not come any better than Volvo my V50 is my commuting car and 58mpg with total safety works for me. Not cheap to buy but certainly not expensive to run makes it the perfect balance for me and saves the CLK for weekends and evenings.

Just my 2p worth
 
Why wait? The dearth and cost of all fuels will soon see us all downsizing at some point. How much better it feels to choose to do it than wait and be forced..[/QUOTE said:
Survey after survey has shown that people who run big engined cars such as V8's would not downsize if petrol was as high as £15 per gallon so nobody will be forced to do anything.
 
Ian can't agree more. A decent sized car is a whole lot safer and for the sake of a few quid can be a life saver. For that reason alone I'd never consider a car smaller than a focus/golf sized.
 
All this hype about city cars is b*llocks and I rule them all out on one very important factor SAFETY when considering a car just ask the question would I put my wife and kids in that? Would they survive if it were rear ended by a truck at 50 mph? For the KA, Fiat 500, AYGO, IQ et al the simple answer is no they would not. No matter what the NCAP ratings say they do not reflect life in the real world. I have seen some what I would call relatively minor incidents in city cars that have ended in fatalities where had it been a family saloon then the outcome would have been different.



Just my 2p worth

Truck doing 50mph in a city, in the real world???

I made the case for smart, not Ka, 500, Aygo, IQ etc. Smarts have protected their occupants in some hideous accidents. Don't believe the mocked up shots from USA on the internet - they are fake. You only need count the wheel studs to know.

What mpg does your 300hp Volvo return in city driving?
Real world mpg. Not just settling to a cruise and reading a figure you like off the trip computer.

In the real world, not everyone can afford £15/gallon.
What makes you think the price will stop when it reaches £15?
 
Truck doing 50mph in a city, in the real world???

I made the case for smart, not Ka, 500, Aygo, IQ etc. Smarts have protected their occupants in some hideous accidents. Don't believe the mocked up shots from USA on the internet - they are fake. You only need count the wheel studs to know.

What mpg does your 300hp Volvo return in city driving?
Real world mpg. Not just settling to a cruise and reading a figure you like off the trip computer.

In the real world, not everyone can afford £15/gallon.
What makes you think the price will stop when it reaches £15?

I put Smart well and truly in the same camp as KA, 500, Aygo etc an overpriced piece of junk with crash surviveability similar to that of a baked bean tin. I have seen some horrific smart accidents an artic completely over the top of a smart for 2 ,a rear end shunt of a smart for four both fatalities, it would not have happened in a volvo or similar. I never believe anything until I have seen it with my own eyes, you only have to look at the Smarts we repair to tell you how good they are not and as for durability of engine and driveline components well don't get me started on that one.

My Volvo T5 petrol used to do 25 mpg city driving, my V50 diesel now does 52 mpg better than any smart can manage, and these are full tank to full tank calculated not fuel computer readouts

As I say its a no brainer to me a few more pounds in the tank protects me, my family and the kids. Would not matter if a smart did 1000 mpg and they were giving them away I still would not drive one :D or as *** says anything else either smaller than a golf in size.
 
You can see the mpg of our Smart below - it's done just over 1000 miles so hopefully we will see improvement in fuel economy. Mostly 15 mile journeys done at highway speed.

There's the issue i think highway speed. Its the issue for anyone doing a commute. I do 25 miles a day, but 15 miles of that is motorway/highway and a small car is being thrashed as it is geared for pootling round the city centre.

Case in point, the C180 gets the same mpg on a long run as the 1.6 Ford Fusion despite a bigger engine and more weight.

m.
 
I put Smart well and truly in the same camp as KA, 500, Aygo etc an overpriced piece of junk with crash surviveability similar to that of a baked bean tin. .


You'll need a big car. Big enough to carry your cliches and prejudices in.
 

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